snowy Posted January 2, 2006 Report Posted January 2, 2006 Hi slugmonkey I know to u probably that little bit of water the English Channel doesnt look much but I can assure you that it makes a hell lot of difference tell that to your birds when they probably flown 600mls + when they hit that channel and more often than not its cut off by rain or fog think most people who fly the channel will know what i mean i can imagine rose, all the people i have spoken to regarding channel racing, tells me "that little bit of water" makes a hell of a difference, & like you said, nearly always raining/storms, windy!
Guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Posted January 2, 2006 Rose, What is the miles from Barcelona to you ?
Guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Posted January 2, 2006 Fly 700mls out Barcelona Craig What about Pau? National race at Barcelona or Pau ?
Guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Posted January 2, 2006 Agree that its very difficult to compare courses, and results. As far as water is concerned, in terms of difficulty, reckon Lerwick must be more difficult than the channel, given that the direct line requires the birds to tread water for many miles, perhaps miles off the Scottish east coast before hitting landfall north of England? If birds come inland right away to the north of Scotland, they'll fly a dog-leg, adding many miles to the journey. Faroes must have been a nightmare. Irish Nationals with only a few birds making the result show how difficult that one is - not one but two stretches of water to cross. No course crossing miles of water can be said to be easy.
Guest slugmonkey Posted January 2, 2006 Report Posted January 2, 2006 I am constantly dealing with strong wind and thunderstoms by strong I mean 30+ mph being a semi regular event with 40+ being garanteed for one race per series these are head or tail dependant upon day we also have regular hail with these storms the average wind is about 14 - 20 during young birds if you think a 30 mph tail wind makes for fast easy races think again, I dont think the english channel is a little strech of water but I also dont think a little strech would take me off the prize list either
Guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Posted January 3, 2006 Slug Depends where your birds have to cross the Brook, the shortest crossing is just over 20 miles, and where I used to fly from was over 85.
Guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Posted January 3, 2006 Linda. Do you have any big lake or cross the water for pigeons to fly over the water ?
Guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Posted January 3, 2006 Slug Depends where your birds have to cross the Brook, the shortest crossing is just over 20 miles, and where I used to fly from was over 85. Was privy to a group conversation pouring over a BHW map of race liberation sites late 2005. I had been told by another member that Lille had the shortest channel crossing and as we looked at Lille (NE France) on the map, yes it appeared to be the shortest crossing. However, one of the group, a SNFC Channel winner, happened to point out that the 2005 Scottish Central Combine Lille pigeons were liberated in a SW wind, and tracing a finger SW over the map demonstrated that this wind would take the birds out over the North Sea, with many miles of water to cross. So I take Slugmonkey's earlier post to heart - points well made - it is one thing to look at races as imaginary lines drawn on maps, quite another when you add prevailing weather conditions and the lie of the land. PS Slugmonkey - isn't it a bit much expecting birds to fly in 30/40 mph winds & thunderstorms? ;D
Guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Posted January 3, 2006 Rose, what feed do you give them for Long distance's ? Slugmoney, Linda, Ross, and Chatrace What is your futher Miles and where in the U.S or Canada ?
Sumo Posted January 3, 2006 Report Posted January 3, 2006 Rose, I want to say that the grandchildren of Sumo (which was a sprint-middle distance pigeon) have proven that they cross the channel after a whole day of flying (1st int. and 2nd Int. Dax, clocked on the day of release). In 2005 Jos Thoné makes the 1,2, 28th Int. Narbonne Narbonne with three grandchildren of Sumo. It was a race of more then 850 km and the pigeon were clocked at about 19.00 in the evening.
Guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Posted January 3, 2006 Our birds don't have any water to traverse, but miles and miles of desert
Guest WINGS 04 Posted January 3, 2006 Report Posted January 3, 2006 i asked some top Irish flyers how long do they think there birds fly overe water and they say that the winners fly most the way and the ones that saty on the mainland are over 2 hours behind
Guest slugmonkey Posted January 4, 2006 Report Posted January 4, 2006 We fly 600 and have a slew of day birds in the club we are trying to get a 700 I feed corn,milo peas and wheat I also feed a bit of sunflower and safflower yes I do think that thunderstorms and the like are a bit extreme but I dont lose many birds in spite of it one race last year( 04 ) it was 48 degrees with a 20 mph headwind at release and 40 degrees at arrival with worseing winds a 150 mile race that took 5 hrs and 27 minutes the speed was 840.521 I took the first 3 positions and was 4 minutes out in front of 90 birds from 19 lofts I put 5 in the top 10% and got all 6 home my positions were 1,2,3.6,8,25 I dont like sending birds to races like these but they will definatly weed out the bad ones
Sumo Posted January 4, 2006 Report Posted January 4, 2006 Rose, I don't know the exactly weather conditions, but the year a grandchild made the 2nd Int. Dax , I know that in our region there was no pigeons arrived the day of release.
snowy Posted January 5, 2006 Report Posted January 5, 2006 does anyone know whats the farthest distance a bird has flown in a race & what strain it was?
Guest ben Posted January 5, 2006 Report Posted January 5, 2006 Hi Sumo, I don`t think you should class dax alongside the true internationals,getting birds fly dax international here south england,really not distance racing(although some people try to kid you different!!!!!),to short not even 500 for some, certainly no test for distance blood,but really a test to see if you can get them to break out the drag.As you mention mr thone, at that distance scrapes 500 miles ,not true distance racing. I would think a true distance race,where the birds have a real hard days fly,go down,then got to come on again well into the 2nd or 3rd day....that`s what true British long distance racing `s all about.
Sumo Posted January 6, 2006 Report Posted January 6, 2006 Ben, It seems that you need the typical Barcelona - strains to race those races.
maverick Posted January 9, 2006 Report Posted January 9, 2006 get birds to a race not to hard getting them home in good time is the hard bit
Guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Posted January 9, 2006 Rose. the sumo is now in England or Belgium?
Guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Posted April 11, 2006 I find that our Patriot Family of Janssens who have had Jan aarden crossed into them will cover anything from 100 to 600 miles.
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