Pigeon fanciers Stuffed ?

[greenlands]

Just passing the time away and came accross the link below .

BAYTRIL 2.5%  Â£24.  for 100ml presume for pigeons.

BAYTRIL 10%   £165 for  1.litre for poultry.

That would be £ 16:50 for 100ml and 4 times stronger,so you would use 4 times less which would again make it

£ 4 :12p for the equivalent 100ml at 2.5%

Something or someones taking the mick

Lindsay

http://www.petprescription.co.uk/pages/quicksearch-img.lasso?-op=cn&name=baytril

[holmsidelofts]

Not really sure where you are getting your figures from on the percentages, baytril 10% you couldnt use on pigeons due to its strength, Plus the amounts that poultry farmers buy i think they should get the discount, the more you buy the cheaper it should be, Plus as baytril has a shelf life of just 28 days buying baytril for pigeons by the litre would not be worth it.

 

Plus you cant buy from that site unless you have a vets prescription so you are better off going to your local pigeon vet if you require it. Most pigeon vets wont prescribe it anyway due to its strength and harshness on the bird, dont forget antibiotics kill good as well as bad bacteria, you will probably find most vets will prescribe Amoxyclin before they would issue baytril.

 

In fact for the amount you would use its not cost effective.

 

I would never use antibiotics if they were not needed.

 

Jas.

[Guest Owen]

Surely it is not news to anybody that we are being ripped off. Of course we are. Part of the problem are the laws of, "Supply and Demand".

The truth is that most people can not get Baytril or any other antibiotic for love or money. The Vets hold the whip hand with all the pet animal keepers. They have created a situation where we have to go to them and then they screw us for as much as they can.

And worse still a lot of the Vets are very much ignorant about pigeons. And, I have to say it, they are not much better at other livestock. Don't forget that James Herriot was a fictional character. He was a wonderful caring Vet on the pages of a book.

I have tried to help myself by learning as much as I can about the medical side of our birds. And before that I took courses and read widely about farm livestock, sheep especially.

These days I have a microscope and I can recognise most of the illnesses and parasites that bother our birds. It has been a lot of hard work but worth it. At least I know, when I deal with a Vet, what to expect and I can recognise it when they do not do what I am paying for.

I have tried to think of ways to get out of the strangle hold they have placed on us. Buying abroad being one. But even that can be risky because, how do we know that we are getting what we are paying for. An example of this is with Baytril. Would'nt it be a good idea to buy it in bulk for a number of us to share? NO IT WOULD NOT. Baytril starts to deteriorate the moment you open the container and let the air into it. And it does not take long before it becomes useless. So we have to be careful to understand the products that we deal with. At least the supplies we get from Vets are normally at a high standard.

I have found a wonderful Vet that I like and respect. The down side is that I can never reach him on the telephone so I have ended up in the same place. No decent Vet available when I need him.

[greenlands]

Homesidelofts,

Quote.

    "Plus as baytril has a shelf life of just 28 days buying baytril for pigeons by the litre would not be worth it."

You made this statement in a previous post,my reply was say that the last time I aquired Baytril from a vet I got 100ml taken from a new 1ltr. bottle.so you say the 900ml left at the vets if not used in 28 days is of no use ?

There will also be a lot of fanciers out there using Baytril that they have had on the shelf for months.

It would be a lot better then to buy 20ml when  required.

Lindsay

[gk lofts]

Its always the same we buy our paratyphoid vaccine for poultry and save 90%its better then colombovac which we ve had trouble with

[Guest The main Mahon]

GK, what's the paratyphus vaccine you buy called that's meant for poultry and where do you get it from?

[gk lofts]

unsure at minet ill post it on here tomorrow carl  top pigeon flyer runs a pet food store in bolsover chesterfield and sells all cheap pigeon medicine called the shop is called  pratical pet the cheapist medicine ive ever come across and a world of nolledge to his numbers in yellow pages

[holmsidelofts]

Homesidelofts,

Quote.

    "Plus as baytril has a shelf life of just 28 days buying baytril for pigeons by the litre would not be worth it."

You made this statement in a previous post,my reply was say that the last time I aquired Baytril from a vet I got 100ml taken from a new 1ltr. bottle.so you say the 900ml left at the vets if not used in 28 days is of no use ?

There will also be a lot of fanciers out there using Baytril that they have had on the shelf for months.

It would be a lot better then to buy 20ml when  required.

Lindsay

 

Lindsay I didnt just make that quote up, that came straight from 2 of the top uk pigeon vets, yes people are using it after 28 days but it aint doing them much good i would have thought, All they are doing is giving a product that is then weaker than it should be and wont work correctly making the problem worse.

If you dont believe me the next time you go into your vet ask him the question. Im only giving you what i have been told. do with it what you like, i can only make people aware of this.

 

Jas.

 

[Guest IB]

According to David Parson's dvd Baytril does have a shelf-life, and starts to go off as soon as it is opened.

 

I would reckon if a vet had a litre bottle , then he must be going through that amount of Baytril in 10/14 days, dispensing prescription and in-patient doses. Seems a nonsense to use a medication thats not 100% - patients taking too long to recover / not recovering, would ruin his reputation and I think vets businesses are built on reputation and word-of-mouth recommendations.

 

And remember the supply of prescription medication is based on professional service, an illness that has been correctly diagnosed by a fully qualified vet who has the animal directly? under his care. Thats what you are paying for.

[Guest Owen]

greenlands

it would be worth you checking on what I said about Baytril deteriorating. I am sure you will find that what both holmsidelofts and I have said is right. As to what the Vets do after they have opened a container, I honestly do not know. I do know that, if a Vet tried to treat my birds from an opened container, I would raise a question straight away.

On the occasions when used to have small amounts of Baytril to treat my birds. Usually contained in a small samples phial, I would use  all I needed and sling the container and any leftovers.

[greenlands]

 

Lindsay I didnt just make that quote up, that came straight from 2 of the top uk pigeon vets, yes people are using it after 28 days but it aint doing them much good i would have thought, All they are doing is giving a product that is then weaker than it should be and wont work correctly making the problem worse.

If you dont believe me the next time you go into your vet ask him the question. Im only giving you what i have been told. do with it what you like, i can only make people aware of this.

 

Jas.

 

Did I say I didn't beleive you that's why I wrote.

It would be a lot better then to buy 20ml when  required

Lindsay

[Guest Owen]

I think I am glad that this subject has been given a good airing. I did not believe the information about Baytril, when I first heard it, either. The more information we can all make available to each other the better. It will make us stronger.

The way things are going, it will be a silly Vet who tries to take advantage.

[greenlands]

I think I am glad that this subject has been given a good airing. I did not believe the information about Baytril, when I first heard it, either. The more information we can all make available to each other the better. It will make us stronger.

The way things are going, it will be a silly Vet who tries to take advantage.

 

Totally agree Owen,it's the only way fanciers find things out about various products that they use.As I said before there will be a lot of fanciers  treating their birds before the para jab and not giving the correct dosage, and buying 100ml is buying far too much.

Lindsay

 

[holmsidelofts]

 

Totally agree Owen,it's the only way fanciers find things out about various products that they use.As I said before there will be a lot of fanciers  treating their birds before the para jab and not giving the correct dosage, and buying 100ml is buying far too much.

Lindsay

 

Yeah i totally agree to. All we are trying to do on this site is to share information with other fanciers so that everyones aware of things and people dont get ripped off.

 

Jas

 

 

[dwh]

just wondering is  batyril stored as a powder like some human anti's and activated by introducing a liquid this way a drug has a prolonged shelf life?

[holmsidelofts]

just wondering is  batyril stored as a powder like some human anti's and activated by introducing a liquid this way a drug has a prolonged shelf life?

 

No its in liquid form unfortunately. I've never seen it in powder form.

 

Jas.

 

[dwh]

 

No its in liquid form unfortunately. I've never seen it in powder form.

 

Jas.

 

does the vet not mix it on demand ? so we would not see it in powder form just wondering jas anyway we screwed

[greenlands]

Baytril is also in tablet form,I don't know if these would disolve if added to water or what the correct tablet/water ratio would be.

Lindsay

[holmsidelofts]

 

does the vet not mix it on demand ? so we would not see it in powder form just wondering jas anyway we screwed

 

I dont think so every time i've seen it its been in ready mixed bottles, and thats straight from the vets, so i dont think so.

 

Jas.

 

[Guest IB]

According to Baytril website, it is manufactured as crystals which don't dissolve well in water, dissolves best in a lipid [a fatty acid?]. It is also supplied in tablet form [3 strengths] and an injectible form. The tablets are for dogs & cats (dose determined by weight) and I think they are meant to be given in food.

 

[rob09]

it s in tablet aswell