Baytril

[pigeonpete]

Hi can anyone tell me what this is,what it does and where and if its still availiable many thanks not sure of the spelling :B

regards

 

pete

[Tony C]

Pete Baytril is a very good product but only ever use it on a vets say so. Whilst it can be a godsend in some cases it can also compound a problem if used blindly. Vets are expensive in the short term but in the long term you'll be better off as will be your pigeons.

[Guest]

Baytril is an antibiotic, vet prescription only (in the UK)

[Tony C]

Could anyone please expand on the banning of Baytril in the US

 

many thanks

[bill_bennie]

Tony,,,, this is only part of what was posted on the Net,. Hope it helps?

 

 

HEALTH

 

Canadian Press

August 2, 2005

WASHINGTON (AP) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is banning the use of the antibiotic Baytril in poultry because of concerns the drug could lead to antibiotic-resistant infections in people.

 

The agency's commissioner Lester Crawford ordered Thursday that approval for use of the drug, known generically as enrofloxacin, be withdrawn effective Sept. 12. Baytril is in the same family as the popular drug Cipro, which is used in humans.

 

Crawford cited particular concerns about campylobacter bacteria, a growing source of serious illness in humans.

 

Antibiotics used to treat it can be less effective if the germ has already developed resistance to Baytril, the FDA said.

 

Margaret Mellon, director of food and environment at the Union of Concerned Scientists, said the FDA's move is "a big deal."

 

"It's the first time FDA has withdrawn a veterinary drug on the basis of antibiotic resistance concerns, fearing that use of the drug in animals is going to erode the effectiveness of the drugs in human medicine," she said.

 

Dr. David Wallinga, director of the Antibiotic Resistance Project at the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, praised the FDA "for acting decisively to protect the public's health."

 

Campylobacter is commonly found in the intestinal tracts of turkeys and chickens, where it does not generally cause illness, Crawford said in his order.

 

Use of enrofloxacin in poultry does not eliminate campylobacter from the birds but instead results in the development of bacteria-resistant to this type of drug, Crawford said.

 

Resistant bacteria may be present in poultry sold at retail outlets. Crawford noted since the drug was introduced for poultry in the 1990s, the proportion of resistant campylobacter infections in humans has risen significantly.

 

That can prolong the length of infections in people and increase the risk of complications, Crawford said. Complications can include reactive arthritis and blood stream infections.

 

Dr. Stephen Sundlof, director of the FDA's centre for veterinary medicine, said Baytril will remain approved for use in infections in dogs and cats and for respiratory disease in cattle.

 

He said the decision was made to ban the drug in poultry but not cattle because chickens are a major source of campylobacter while cattle are not.

 

The FDA's Center for Veterinary Medicine first proposed to pull the drug from use in chickens and turkeys in 2000 but the manufacturer, Bayer, asked for a hearing. Crawford acted after reviewing the results of that hearing.

 

Bayer has 60 days to appeal Crawford's decision to a federal appeals court.

 

Bayer spokesman Bob Walker said the company was surprised and disappointed by the decision. He said officials are reviewing the decision from a scientific and legal position before deciding on further action.

 

The interest group Keep Antibiotics Working said many top poultry producers have announced they no longer use such drugs in chickens produced for human consumption. Such producers include Tyson, Gold Kist, ConAgra, Perdue, Foster Farms and Claxton.

 

 

Yours in the Sport - Bill.

 

 

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tony C]

Much appreciated Bill.

[Guest]

Mine haven't got salmonella but if they did, would it be better to cull them rather than treat them with Baytril. When mine got it a few years ago, I treated mine with baytril and a few went on to win, but the lad who took over my old loft and some of the old birds had problems again last year, and he treated them again with baytril. Again he did OK with the same birds but it got me thinking maybe it would have been best to get rid of the problem birds.

[Tony C]

sbelbin I believe mice are the major cause of salmonella outbreaks in lofts, getting rid of the pigeons doesn't necessarily mean your getting rid of the problem.

If I suspect a pigeon has it, it goes.

[snowy]

is there any other product, natural or not, that does the same job as baytril?

[Guest Silverwings]

years ago there was a product on the market called furoxcine ,this was used as a preventative and treatment of salmonela and paratyphoid ,it was one of the Fabry range of products ,not only did treat them it got them into excelent condition they would win in the showpen ?  had a quick look on the net and found FUROXONE ,same stuff slightly different name ,( Furazolidone ) dont think its on prescription ? ....ray

[jimmy white]

WOULD I BE RIGHT IN SAYING,,OLD HANDS COREZIUM CAPSULES WERE FURAZOLIDONE,,,,,,,THEY WERE YELLOW CAPSULES, THAT OFTEN GOT STUCK TOGETHER, IN THE USUAL WEE OLD HAND ALLUMINIUM SCREW LID CONTAINERS, AND FOR SOME REASON THEY WERE BANNED???JUST TRYING TO CAST MY MEMORY BACK..IKNOW YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO BUY THEM OVERTHE COUNTER ,BUT NOT NOW, DOES ANYONE REMEMBER??

[Guest]

Wasn't aware of these concerns with use of the antibiotic Baytril in poultry.

 

But have come accross other work which confirms antibiotic-resistant 'good' bacteria in the pigeon's gut exchange genes with  (potentially nasty) bugs like streptococcus in the pigeon's gut. This created antibiotic-resistant streptococcus ... that was also confirmed by the research team as going on in turn to infect the fancier.

 

Have already posted at length on use of other antibiotic-like drugs in pigeons which created resistant strains of canker. That was met with much like a shrug of the shoulders, sorta 'winning ways' mentality.

 

Brought two threads to the top to refresh members' memories ... the modern way to treat bacterial infection is isolation & the use of probiotics, and that goes for humans too.

 

Used it on feed for three days prior to pairing up this year, because I had been basket training my birds for three nights for eating & drinking, stressed the birds out so that their droppings were all over the place. Toying with doing the same after they rear their youngsters, and prior to training / racing.

 

And it isn't costly or hard to get hold of. 500g pot of natural live yoghurt from any supermarket does the job for around £1.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

BAYTRIL

 

Active Ingredient Enrofloxacin

 

Category Antiinfectives

 

Target Specificity Poultry, Pig, Cattle, Calf, Cat, Dog

 

Web Address http://www.baytril.com

 

Chemical Class Quinolone

 

Mode of Action Fluoroquinolones interfere with bacterial DNA metabolism by the inhibition of two enzymes, Topoisomerase II (syn. DNA gyrase) and Topoisomerase IV. In Gram-negative organisms, DNA gyrase is the primary target whereas in Gram-positive bacteria, Topoisomerase IV was recently found to be most affected. The function of DNA gyrase is to introduce supercoils into the linear DNA double helix, which results in the highly condensed 3-dimensional structure of the DNA usually present inside the cell. The function of Topoisomerase IV still is barely understood. Models to explain the activity of quinolones at the target site, only exist for DNA gyrase: During the supercoiling process, both DNA strands are cleaved by DNA gyrase at 4 base pair staggered sites, forming a quinolone binding pocket. Two quinolone molecules self-assemble inside the pocket in dimer structure and attach to the gyrase-DNA complex leading to an irreversible block of this intermediate stage of the reaction. Permanent gaps in the DNA strands induce synthesis of repair enzymes (exonucleases), initiating uncoordinated repair processes, which results in irreversible damage to the DNA and, finally, cell death.

 

Indication/Description Antiinfective (gyrase inhibitor from the fluoroquinolone group of compounds) for the management of diseases of dogs and cats, pigs, cattle and poultry associated with the following enrofloxacin-sensitive Gram-negative and Gram-positive bacteria: E. coli, Salmonella spp., Pasteurella spp., Bordetella spp., Haemophilus spp. and Staphylococci. Baytril is also effective against Mycoplasma. Due to its broad spectrum of activity, Baytril can be used in single or mixed bacterial infections of respiratory and digestive organs, of the urinary tract, of the skin and of wounds. Please note, that registered indications may be different in each country.

 

Chemical Structure

 

Formulations Baytril 15 mg tablet (cats and small dogs) Baytril 50 mg tablet (cats and dogs) Baytril 150 mg tablet (large dogs) Baytril 2.5% injectable solution Baytril 5% injectable solution Baytril 10% injectable solution Baytril Max (Baytril 100) 10% injectable solution Baytril 2.5% oral solution (calves) Baytril 10% oral solution (poultry) Baytril 0.5% oral solution (Pig-Doser)

 

Method of Administration Baytril tablets: for oral use, may be given straight or wrapped up in meat or sausage. Baytril Injectable solutions: for subcutaneous injection in cats and dogs, and for intravenous or intramuscular injection in cattle and pigs. Baytril 2.5% oral solution: to be given in water or milk or milk replacer. Baytril 0.5% oral solution: for direkt oral administration to piglets Baytril 10% oral solution: for oral administration via drinking water.

 

Dosage Baytril tablets: 1 x 5 mg enrofloxacin per kg bodyweight (bw) daily: 15 mg tablet: 1 tablet per 3 kg bw 50 mg tablet: 1 tablet per 10 kg bw 150 mg tablet : 1 tablet per 30 kg bw Baytril 2.5 % Injectable solution: 0.2 ml per 1 kg bw daily. 0.2 ml is equivalent to 5 mg enrofloxacin Baytril 5% and 10% injectable: The dose is 2.5 - 5mg per kg bw or 5 - 10ml 5% injectable solution (resp. 2,5 to 5 ml 10% injectable solution per 100 kg bw Baytril Max (Baytril 100) 10% injectable solution: 7.5 mg / kg bw is equal to 7.5 ml per 100kg bw Baytril 0,5% oral solution (piglet-doser): 1 pump stroke (1ml) per 2 kg bw is equivalent to 2.5mg per kg bw. In severe cases of respiratory disease this dose can be doubled. Baytril 2,5% oral solution: 5ml per 50 kg In severe cases of respiratory disease this dose can be doubled. Baytril 10% oral solution: the dosage is 10mg per kg bw in chicken and turkeys. This equals drinking water concentrations of 50 to 100ml 10% oral solution per 100 litres of drinking water. Duration of treatment and withdrawal periods according to national registrations.

 

dosage for pigeons at 10%   is  1ml per pint or 2ml per liter, or 4 drops per day   in the throat for individual  pigeons  for 5- 7 days

[Guest shadow]

we have had this topic before and in my opinion baytril should only be used under the guidance of a vet

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Shadow,

 

It is a very dangerous product, often making your pigeons unfertile. It is DNA sensitive and banned in some countries.

 

Jack

[Guest]

I have a product called Bayflox, which is an Antibiotic, do you know if this is this same as Baytril. I dont use it and have just got it incase something goes wrong and I need it quick.

[Guest shadow]

If your not sure what it is don't use it

[Guest]

Wouldn't have Baytril within a mile of my lofts

[rockinrick]

yea use it if u wanna damage ure birds

[steven booth]

VOTE OPEN HAVE YOUR SAY

[nutverlal]

hi

 

Good stuff

 

but very expensive.

 

[Wiley]

it is good stuff and should only be used if you know how to as it can be harsh!

[Guest]

the likes of this stuff should be banned completely ,

[Wiley]

sammy if u say that then y shouldnt parastop

[Guest shadow]

should be only used on prescription have seen a lot of damage when it has been misused