AVIAN FLU

[schouwman71]

its quackers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dutch fanciers told to confine their birds to their lofts just read it on the Pipa web site.

[Guest]

a cat in germany  confirmed to have h5n1

[Guest]

A double whammy for me then, as ive got two cats as well as the pigeons!!

[schouwman71]

been on pipas website carnt find were it says dutch have had to confine there birds.

[slatey]

Hi all

dutch have had to confine the pigeons to the loft since 20-02-06.

tomo

[Guest]

yes this is true was speaking to a dutch fancier last week

[Guest]

Extract from article on WHO Website.

 

H5N1 avian influenza in domestic cats

 

28 February 2006

 

Authorities in Germany have today announced detection of H5N1 avian influenza in a domestic cat. The cat was found dead over the weekend on the northern island of Ruegen. Since mid-February, more than 100 wild birds have died on the island, and tests have confirmed H5N1 infection in several.

 

All available evidence indicates that cat infections occur in association with H5N1 outbreaks in domestic or wild birds.

 

Experimental studies, published in September 2004, demonstrated that the H5N1 virus can infect domestic cats, and that cats can transmit the virus to other cats. In October 2004, captive tigers fed on fresh chicken carcasses began dying in large numbers at a zoo in Thailand. Altogether 147 tigers out of 441 died of infection or were euthanized. Subsequent investigation determined that at least some tiger-to-tiger transmission of the virus occurred.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

http://www.npo.nl/site/actueel/laatste_nieuws/vogelgriep/24_januari_2006_brief_aan_ec_lid_marcos_kyprianou.

 

Interesting article

[jimmy white]

very ,very interesting article, ive just taken a print off, for anyone to see

[Guest]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006100391,00.html

 

 

Looks like the Sun has it's knickers in a twist now, hope Peter Bryant has seen this

[fifestay]

Problem with these articles many people believe it being true or not. When AI gets here you mind find a mad hysteria from Public ...culling budgies and certainly demanding the our Pigeons be kept in if not slaughtered.

 

Did the cat in Germany eat the infected Bird or was it just air borne. Jumping species only adds to bad press ie. you pigeons are in the same area as Dog/Cat Rabbits etc

[mealybar]

A couple must have hit the press this morning

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/04/nflu04.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/03/04/ixhome.html

 

http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=328462006

 

Also one on the racing season ahead:

 

http://www.northumberlandtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=1117&ArticleID=1373314

 

...Now race groups have been told birds cannot be set off from Huntingdon or Folkstone race grounds when the season starts in April in case horses could be contaminated....

[Guest]

Did the cat in Germany eat the infected Bird or was it just air borne. Jumping species only adds to bad press ie. you pigeons are in the same area as Dog/Cat Rabbits etc

 

The evidence, in Germany and SE Asia, suggests the cat became infected through eating an infected bird.

 

 

[Guest]

http://www.npo.nl/site/actueel/laatste_nieuws/vogelgriep/24_januari_2006_brief_aan_ec_lid_marcos_kyprianou.

 

Interesting article

 

 

This is the same article (the FCI letter) published in BHW on 10th Feb., repeating that 'pigeons are resistant to avian flu'. further confusing the ordinary fancier.

 

Difficult to get people to listen to things they just don't want to hear. They latched onto 'pigeons are resistant to avian flu' because that's exactly WHAT THEY WANTED TO HEAR, when in fact they were being told 'pigeons are resistant to Low pathogenic avian flu'.

 

Peter Bryant, the RPRA and the BHW are on the vets email address too; he and I got it around 30th November 2005, I published it here as requested by Gordon Chalmers and his colleagues;  Peter Bryant and the RPRA sat on it ... sat back again when the FCI letter was published in BHW on 10th Feb., then published an extract from the vets email on 20th Feb., saying exactly the opposite. No wonder people don't know who or what to believe.

 

 

I think the article has great merit in that IT SPELLS OUT IN DETAIL the conditions under which pigeons are housed and raced; the let-down is the science. If that was brought up to date, in my opinion, a European lobby could be mounted on the basis of : yes, we know there is a risk racing pigeons might pick up the virus, but we also know the way we look after them and race them  that that risk is REMOTE. The scientific evidence also clearly says racing pigeons can't spread the virus, so banning pigeons would have no effect on the spread of avian flu around the world.

 

 

[Guest]

Problem with these articles many people believe it being true or not. When AI gets here you mind find a mad hysteria from Public ...culling budgies and certainly demanding the our Pigeons be kept in if not slaughtered.

 

 

 

You may recollect these very thoughts from 'way back' in the early days of this thread. Much of the intervening time has been taken up trying to convince people that there was a storm coming, but nobody was prepared to accept that, despite being warned that racing pigeons were in the Government firing line. First thing that happened was cancellation of shows, which in my opinion could have been prevented had action been taken before the sh** hit the fan. RPRA & SHU can't say they weren't warned.

 

Need a bit of outward focus here; time for sitting about waiting on others to tell US what to do belongs to yesterday; needs honest action that puts OUR case forward at  EU level that racing pigeons shouldn't be in the firing line, as we and they don't spread the virus.  

[Guest]

Updated 1st March, DEFRA Wild Bird Surveillance results showing what's been found amiss in birds from around the UK. Full report at:-

 

 

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/notifiable/disease/ai/wildbirds/survey-results.htm

[peterh127]

We have to try and stay calm here. We should be trying to find out what happened in Vietnam as they seemed to have contained the outbreaks or at least non are being reported.

[tartanboy]

Teletext on Saturday morning page 321 carried a story exactly the same as the Sun,pigeons can contract the H5N1 strain,i was shocked here was a source of information being passed on to joe public stating pigeons are now carriers of avain flu.this article has disappeared from teletex itv and i am surprised well am i that the pigeon is now being hounded by men of science who are giving out unsupportive information about our pigeons being carriers,Dr Bob McCracken(or is it Phil) is as much an expert as the regular readers to these postings Bruno and co. The day they prove that our pigeons are carriers of this virus then thats the day we stop raceing for good,the amount of unemployment it will cause i am not sure of but it will also call me old fashioned but does the RSPB not breed and release perigrines and sparrowhawks as well as kites and harriers these are the type of bird they should be looking at to formulate a plan for there eradication due to the facts they do eat other species.Where are our leaders,it would appear they are not worried about this piece of junk written by junk newspapers,but why can't they get tv or paper coverage to inform people we are no danger to anyone regarding avian flu?.

[perk]

sky news, just flashed up several cats in austria tested positive with h5n1

[Guest bristolkev]

    

 

 

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Bird flu is 21 miles away

By CHARLES RAE

 

TEN seagulls have died of bird flu at a Channel port just 21 MILES from Britain, it emerged yesterday.

 

Their bodies were discovered close to Boulogne — France’s biggest port.

 

The French agriculture ministry confirmed all the birds had the H5 strain of bird flu. Unlike the H5N1 strain, it is not potentially lethal to humans. But the UK Government is still desperate to keep it out of Britain. The gulls’ bodies were discovered last Thursday.

 

The news comes amid growing fears that bitter weather in northern France will force disease- ridden birds across the Channel.

 

France, which is Europe’s biggest poultry producer, last week confirmed an outbreak of the H5N1 virus at a turkey farm in Ain — the first in the European Union. More than 43 countries imposed curbs on French poultry products, including foie gras.

 

After the outbreak in Ain, French officials launched a mass vaccination programme.

 

Targets included an ornithological park next to the infected turkey farm, which contains over 400 species of protected birds, including pelicans.

 

 

The H5N1 virus has killed more than 90 people and millions of birds after it spread from Asia to Africa, the Middle East and Europe.

 

Poland yesterday announced its first case of bird flu as Switzerland and Romania joined France in reporting further cases.

 

Two swans found dead on the banks of the River Vistula in Poland tested positive.

 

Further tests were being carried out at a British laboratory last night to see if it was the deadly H5N1 strain. In an attempt to protect the poultry industry, Polish Prime Minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz said he would have chicken for dinner.

 

Romania began culling birds as a precaution against the virus after it found new suspected cases in a village by the River Danube.

 

 

 

 

[Peckedhen]

An informative site is www.recombinomics.com --this guy is a recombinant geneticist who has been watching this virus for many years. He's a little scientific, but usually gets his info before the news does. Some other members in the scientific community think he is somewhat of a fatalist. If you go there click under the "what's new" sign and it will give his latest reports.

[dandydoo]

Wow this is very scary peckedhen

[rockinrick]

can someone explain to me about the flu thing as i am not gend up on it .

 

cheers rockinrick

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I suggest you read all the posts on this forum on avian flu and that should tell you all you want to know

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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