SALMONELOSIS Or PARATIFOSIS

[paul k]

its hard to say what the results would have been like, because we moved house, and only started using in our first year here

 

We used to win before, but never as much, but we have changed loft location and the birds we race are completly different.

 

Paul

[Guest CS]

Has anyone tried "weekly treatment of sea salt  one day a week couple of spoon fulls for 30 birds is more  than enough."

[JSTOON]

I HAD NEVER HEARD OF PARATYPHOID UNTIL WE WERE STRUCK DOWN WITH IT IN 2004, WHIPING OUT 37 OF OUR YOUNGSTERS, AND 8 STOCK. DUE TO THIS I CARRIED OUT A LOT OF RESEARCH MYSELF AND SPOKE WITH A GREAT NUMBER OF VETS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPOOSIDLY I THE KNOW. SINCE THAT TIME AND TO DATE I INJECT MY BIRDS ONCE A YEAR FOR  PARATYPHOID USING THE CHEVITA PRODUCT, £48-00 PER 100 DOSES. VACINATING OF OLD BIRDS SHPULD BE DONE TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO PAIRING UP, AND THE BIRDS SHOULD HAVE BEEN TREATED FOR A WEEK PRIOR TO THIS WITH EITHER FURAL/ AND OR FURAZLODINE. YOUNGSTERS SHULD BE PREPARED THE SAME AND VACCINATED ONCE ALL YOUNG HAVE BEEN MOVED. I HAVE HAERD OF THE PARA STOP, BUT WHEN POSING THE QUESTION TO A WELL KNOWN VET, HIS ANSWER WAS IT IS LIKE TAKING A LOCKET FOR FLU, HIS WORDS NOT MINE. I AM NOT SAYING EITHER IS RIGHT IR WRONG, BUT SINCE DOING THGIS 3 YEARS AGO I HAVE ONLY LOST 21 YOUNGSTERS ALL TOLD, AND WINNING THE YOUNG BIRD AVERAGES FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.

ONE THING YOU MUST DO AFTER VACCINATION IS TO KEEP THE BIRDS IN FOR A WEEK, SO THAT THEY CAN SETTLE DOWN.THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION AND THAT OF OTHERS, I ONLY HOPE NO PIGEON FANCIER HAS TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE HAD TO IN 2004, IT ALMOST FINISHED US.  :'(

[Guest]

its hard to say what the results would have been like, because we moved house, and only started using in our first year here

 

We used to win before, but never as much, but we have changed loft location and the birds we race are completly different.

 

Paul

thanks again for the reply                                 andy

 

 

[Guest]

I see nothing wrong in treating for the disease if you have it, or vaccinating pigeons if you have had it, or it is prevalent in your area.

 

I did a search on Scottish Agricultural College Website for pigeon + salmonella and came up with 23 results in the period 2002 - 2007. 4 of these were publications or papers with these words in them, so that left  a total of 19 possible salmonella cases in pigeons in Scotland. The actual number for salmonella in kept pigeons in 6 years for Scotland was 7 cases:-

 

2005 - May, June

2006 - May, Sep, Nov.

2007 - May, June.

 

http://www.sac.ac.uk/consultancy/veterinary/?view=Search+results&freesearch=pigeons&pageno=1&sessionid=611144

 

[Guest]

A post was made to the original Paratyphoid [2005] thread today, so I have merged both.

[me]

I see nothing wrong in treating for the disease if you have it, or vaccinating pigeons if you have had it, or it is prevalent in your area.

 

I did a search on Scottish Agricultural College Website for pigeon + salmonella and came up with 23 results in the period 2002 - 2007. 4 of these were publications or papers with these words in them, so that left  a total of 19 possible salmonella cases in pigeons in Scotland. The actual number for salmonella in kept pigeons in 6 years for Scotland was 7 cases:-

 

2005 - May, June

2006 - May, Sep, Nov.

2007 - May, June.

 

http://www.sac.ac.uk/consultancy/veterinary/?view=Search+results&freesearch=pigeons&pageno=1&sessionid=611144

 

 

You can bet your bottom dollar Bruno that the number of salmonella cases in Scotland was miles more than 7.

 

First of all the majority of fanciers whose birds get the disease never go near a vet. Secondly even if they do and get the correct antibiotics it is famously difficult to culture from the infected birds droppings. No positive diagnosis no need to report. As I say the actual number of cases is fantastically higher than the number officially recorded.

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

You want to take a look at the DEFRA site - lots more reported - tip of the iceburg though

 

http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/vla/science/documents/science-vida-birds99-06.pdf

 

page 2 no. 165

[Guest]

Agree with both 'Me' and Redcheqhen's posts, figures are taken from only one source and hard to say what the overall picture is on incidence of salmonella in kept pigeons.

 

Personally, have had only one positive report of infection in this neck of the woods, around 3 years ago, when fanciers concerned moved from Grangemouth to Airth and loft at new location became infected. They lost most of YBs and others they brought in to replace them [too quick, seems there's a 4/5 week quarantine period before 'restocking' after a paratyphoid infection].    

 

But my point is that it seems an over-reaction for me to vaccinate my birds annually on the back of one local infection in the 6 years I've had pigeons. If DEFRA was telling us to do that, there'd be a hue & cry, and we'd be asking the reason they thought it was needed. That's basically the same question I'm asking, but so far, no answer..

[Guest rodders]

i agree not many reported cases but how many people would bother to report it most would treat or kill off

the point i was trying to make earlier about belgiums having to vaccinate yearly now by law is that there are 1000s of belgium birds imported every year

most of them will have been treated every year since birth so when here we dont treat so in my mind this makes them open to infection because years of treatment has been proping up natural imunity

[irish_mat]

I started of with show pigeons about two years ago i never had any problems with paratyhoid or any sickness then i started to get racing pigeon from people mix in with the show birds then things started to go wrong all show bird started to die one a day i lost all my young show tipplers and a few show racers and older show tipplers so i got rid of all my show birds now i have only got racing pigeons its my first year but now im having problems with them one pigeon the other day it head was all over the place twisting and turning then it died their is a few cocks humpy and light and a few hens light i have the cocks and hens in different sheds im going to pair them up in a few weeks what should i do and where do i get selbac im from belfast. i have a bottle of baytil should i use it if im pairing the bird up in a few weeks i did treat them a 2 months ago on furazo-lidon+ its for salmonellosis(paratyphus).

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

I started of with show pigeons about two years ago i never had any problems with paratyhoid or any sickness then i started to get racing pigeon from people mix in with the show birds then things started to go wrong all show bird started to die one a day i lost all my young show tipplers and a few show racers and older show tipplers so i got rid of all my show birds now i have only got racing pigeons its my first year but now im having problems with them one pigeon the other day it head was all over the place twisting and turning then it died their is a few cocks humpy and light and a few hens light i have the cocks and hens in different sheds im going to pair them up in a few weeks what should i do and where do i get selbac im from belfast. i have a bottle of baytil should i use it if im pairing the bird up in a few weeks i did treat them a 2 months ago on furazo-lidon+ its for salmonellosis(paratyphus).

 

How do you know its paratyphoid and not PMV?

 

I think you need to take your birds to a vet

 

[Guest]

There is a 3rd version (which used to be called paratyphus) caused by staphylococcus / streptococcus and it also has exactly the same symptoms, so you have similar symptoms but caused by any of 4 different agents..

 

I would be very worried at a recurrent disease in my loft and I'd be frantic if that disease was resulting in bird's deaths, cos I don't think it gets any more serious than that.

 

Put the medicines away and go and get the birds properly checked out by an avian vet. Find out what the infection is and its likely source - and tackle that head-on.

 

Under no circumstances breed from stock which is susceptible to recurrent infection. Bin rather than breed, otherwise they will pass on a compromised immune system to the next generation, and a dose of ???? to go along with it.

 

 

[irish_mat]

I took one pigeon to a pigeon lab she took a swab test and i took dropping from both shed she rang me a few hours later and said the pigeon that i brough up had a low level of canker and Cocis and the dropping r fine.

[irish_mat]

So what sould i do to avoid these problem. whats treatment sould i use sel bac or Colombovac PMV Paramxyo Pigeon Vaccine.

[Guest]

I took one pigeon to a pigeon lab she took a swab test and i took dropping from both shed she rang me a few hours later and said the pigeon that i brough up had a low level of canker and Cocis and the dropping r fine.

 

 

Low levels of canker and cocci are signs of a normal healthy pigeon. If it was under attack by something, I'd expect these levels to go sky-high.

 

Normal, healthy pigeons also don't 'just' die. I think that you need either a second opinion, or an autopsy done on a sick pigeon euthanised for that purpose.

[irish_mat]

All show pigeons are gone and i think it had something to do with them taking pigeon from other people i think im just worried about them and i think that my pigeon r strest abit cause i build a new shed and change them around someone told me if you have sick pigeon your gonna know with the cold weather and he told me that show birds are not as strong as racing pigeon so no more pigeon from anyone else and try and get my own family of racing pigeon when the youngest are up and feeding is thier a treatment that you use called sel-bac a treatment to stop salmonella and paratyphoid i know not to uses the treatment on the old birds.

[pj1001]

Hello Matt have you vaccinated all your birds against PMV this season?

 

PJ

[irish_mat]

No not at all just treated them for furazo-lidon+ its for salmonellosis(paratyphus).

[REDCHEQHEN]

You must vaccinate for PMV

 

Check out this site for symptoms - and see how many different diseases it could be  

 

http://www.chevita.com/en/pigeons/symptoms/index.php

 

scroll down the page for the list

 

it takes days - not hours for a vet to culture a dropping sample for paratyphoid - so I doubt any checks have been done other than looking at the sample through a microscope for worms and cocci

 

You should always vaccinate your birds for PMV (if you intend racing - you can't race without a vaccination certificate for the birds)

[pj1001]

Hello Matt,

 

I would suggest that you vaccinate the birds once you get their health problem sorted.

After you treat the birds with furazo-lidon+ you will need to give them some Probiotics and /or vitamins for a few days to try and get their gut flora levels back up again before treating them for PMV. I would leave the birds for at least a couple of weeks before vaccinating.

 

I know a few fanciers in Southern Ireland and there seems to be a big problem with vaccinating or should I say lack of vaccinating birds there over the last few years. When it comes to young bird racing there seems to major losses and health problems once the birds are mixed in the panniers. I am not 100% sure of why this is but by talking to a few lads in the south they seem to think it is related to the birds not being vaccinated.

 

I hope this is of some help Matt.

 

PJ

 

Some details on Colombovac PMV vaccine posted below

 

 

 

Colombovac PMV

 

Detailed Description

The only PMV vaccine not to contain mineral oil This makes it safer in use and if accidentally self injected. Supplied with needles, syringe, record card etc . Patented formula

 

Please note: - immunity builds up over a period of time.

 

Presentation

Colombovac PMV is an inactivated adjuvanted vaccine based on an avian paramyxovirus serotype 1 (PMV-1) vaccine strain.

 

Uses

For the primary and booster vaccination of healthy, susceptible, immune competent pigeons against paramyxovirus infections caused by the PMV-1 serotype.

 

Dosage and administration

Shake the vial before use. 0.2 ml by subcutaneous injection.

Administer into the neck in the direction of the back.

 

Dosage regimen

 

Racing pigeons –

 

1.     All birds in the loft should be given one vaccination annually not less than 14 days before the beginning of the racing season.

 

1.     Young birds may be vaccinated with Colombovac PMV from 3 weeks of age when a single injection will provide immunity for 1 year. Following vaccination avoid contact with birds from other lofts for at least 14 days.

 

2.     All late-hatched young pigeons should be given one vaccination from 3 weeks of age and not mixed with birds from other lofts for at least 14 day.

 

3.     All adult birds in the loft should be given a single booster vaccination annually. Where the annual booster vaccination may interfere with the training or racing programme, it may be brought forward prior to the commencement of each racing season.

Show pigeons –

 

1.     All birds on the premises should be given one vaccination annually not less than 14 days before the beginning of the show season.

 

2.     Young birds may be vaccinated with Colombovac PMV from 3 weeks of age when a single injection will provide immunity for 1 year. Following vaccination avoid contact with birds from other sources for at least 14 days.

 

3.     All adult birds on the premises should be given a single booster vaccination annually Contra-indications, warnings, etc

 

FOR ANIMAL TREATMENT ONLY Shake the vial before use.

 

Use entire contents when first opened.

 

Dispose of used container by incineration.

 

In cases of adverse reaction treat immediately with glucocorticoid intravenously or adrenaline intramuscularly.

 

Only healthy birds should be vaccinated.

 

Administer the vaccine only by the subcutaneous route.

Aseptic precautions should be observed at all times.

Withdrawal period zero days.

 

Pharmaceutical precautions Store at +2°C to +8°C. Do not freeze. Protect from light. Keep out of the reach of children Legal category NFA-VPS (previously P).

 

Packaging Quantities

Vial of 10 ml (50 doses) Vial of 20 ml (100 doses)

 

Further information

The incubation period for pigeon paramyxovirosis may be a few days to several weeks. However, after infection with the wild virus, pigeons excrete the virus from the eye and in the droppings within 3-4 days. This means that infected birds can be a danger to others some days before their own symptoms appear.

 

Excretion of wild virus from the infected bird continues for up to 6 weeks.

 

This information is important since, in addition to direct bird to bird contact at competitions and shows, the disease can be spread by indirect means such as hands, overalls, caps, boots and contaminated objects such as baskets and trucks.

 

An owner should forbid visits to the loft by anyone in contact with unvaccinated pigeons and new birds (either purchased or lent for mating) should not be brought in unless vaccinated at least 14 days previously.

 

In any animal population there will be a small number of individuals which fail to respond fully to vaccination.

 

Successful vaccination depends upon correct storage and administration of vaccine and the animal's ability to respond. Immune competence can be influenced by genetic factors, intercurrent infection, age, nutritional status, concurrent drug therapy, stress, etc.

 

Maternally-derived antibody (MDA) can interfere with the development of active immunity.

 

Where it is likely that recent field infection or vaccination of the parent flock has stimulated a high antibody titre and consequently a high level of MDA, the timing of the vaccination programme should be planned accordingly.

 

Product licence number Vm 01596/4162

[irish_mat]

Thank you all for your help just one more question if i use Colombovac PMV on my pigeon that are my stock birds how long after can i get the pigeon down on eggs as im only racing young birds for my first year.

 

Thanks again and Happy Xmas

 

 

http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/prodinfo.asp?number=COL1

 

 

[pj1001]

Hello Matt,

 

After vaccinating I would leave the birds for at least 14 days before considering mating them up.

 

 

The manufacturers recommend for racing birds that they are vaccinated 14 prior to racing at least. See extract below.

 

Racing pigeons

All birds in the loft should be given one vaccination annually not less than 14 days before the beginning of the racing season.

 

Personally we vaccinate all our old and stock birds in early November each year, youngsters vaccinated once they are 3-4 weeks old. Our old birds are normally paired end of January for sprint birds beginning of March channel birds.

 

Hope this is of help.

 

PJ

[DOVEScot]

SALMONELOSIS Or PARATIFOSIS

Disease of youngsters that causes an early death without specific symptoms. The cured adult pigeon becomes into carriers and continue eliminating salmonellas, reason why it is preferable to eliminate them. When hatching they can transmit the disease through the pores of the rind of eggs

CAUSAL AGENT: Salmonella Typhimurium

TRANSMISSION: Oral: By the food or the drinking water.

Aerial: By inhalation of the dust.

Ovarian: Of the ovary to the egg.

SYMPTOMS:

4 forms 1 - Intestinal: diarrea with thick lees surrounded by snots, elements nondigested in dirty water of brown or green, and frothy color. Thickening of the sewer.

Thinning.

2 - Articulte: of the internal goes to the blood and from there to the joints of greater movement (elbow). Fallen wing

3 - Organic: it attacks all the devices pronouncing itself with a short breath and general weakening.

4 - Nervous: it attacks the brain and the spinal marrow producing:

- loss of balance

- paralysis

- tortícolis (similar to New Castle)

DIAGNOSE Serologic, wich means the antibodies of the blood of the infected animals.

TREATMENT: Antibiotics:

- Tetraciclinas

- Enrofloxacina

- Furazolidona

Minimum 15 days.

PROPHYLAXIS: Cleaning and disinfecting (at least weekly)

1 - 2 days of antibiotics every 15 days

Vitamins

IMPORTANT: It is a ZOONOSE (it can infect the man by a very close contact).

 

[blackjack]

The only really effective cure is to cull .