SALMONELOSIS Or PARATIFOSIS

[timbarra]

maybe not have the virus but if a pigeon becomes ill or sick , then first you must find the cause then treat pigeon and prevent history repeating itself.... is it not. maybe i am wrong but you dont treat, just for the pigeons to go and catch sickness again... from the same place!!!!!! yes no. maybe..

 

 

i know what i do and thats good with me.

[pault]

 

nobody has said anything about having the viris !!!

 

hi

i have not got the virus it was just a question.

but i have read that a lot of pigeon men treat for it

[retired]

you cannot use baytril regular as it is that potent it will ruin the birds

[Guest j.bamling]

It could make the birds go infertile

[Guest Vic]

Someone has asked me to solve a problem that I know little about. He informs me, that one or two of his flock, have lost the power of their wings and can barely fly, with another couple developing a bad limp whilst walking.  I would hazard a guess and say it is paratyphoid, a form of Salmonella. Please answer the following questions:-  1. Is it a notifiable disease? (MAFRA involvement).                          

                  2. With treatment. Can infected birds recover completely?          

                  3. What causes it?

                  4. What is the best antidote?                             Thanks.                  

[Guest j.bamling]

the best thing to do is see a pigeon vet !! find out exactly what the birds have first before blind treating !!! could also be paramixo virus ?

[Guest]

I would agree. Symptoms are very similar to Paramyxo.

 

Paratyphoid isn#t notifiable, paramyxo is.

 

I think the sooner you call in professional help, the better.

 

[only clue that i can give you is joint problem with swelling = salmonella ; joint problem without swelling = paramyxo - but I would still be calling in / on a vet].

[Guest j.bamling]

the thing is with diseases like these it is no good guessing you need to know for sure what you have so you can treat them with the right drug etc

has he injected his birds for paramixo ?

[Guest Vic]

the thing is with diseases like these it is no good guessing you need to know for sure what you have so you can treat them with the right drug etc

has he injected his birds for paramixo ?

YES! All needled. SURELY THE  MINUTE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PARAMYXO, SALMOLNELLA AND PARATYPHOID SHOULD MAKE THEM ALL NOTIFIABLE DISEASES

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

PMV is a virus - the other two are bacterial - maybe thats the difference

[Guest]

As far as I know, Vic:-

 

Paramyxo in pigeons is our only notifiable disease. [bird flu too, but hopefully, never happen here]

 

Salmonellosis / Paratyphoid in poultry is notifiable, but of course it is part of the food industry and as we can go down with Salmonellosis / Typhoid from eating contaminated meat & eggs, that's understandable..

[jazzman]

Call the vet  

[EAGLEOWL]

YES! All needled. SURELY THE  MINUTE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PARAMYXO, SALMOLNELLA AND PARATYPHOID SHOULD MAKE THEM ALL NOTIFIABLE DISEASES

 

 

i have been told of a fancier who has this problem after injecting his pigeons ,seek out a vets  let him take samples from the birds ,this is the only way to find the cause.

 

 

[FOXY]

  Here is a pasage quoted from the internet :

 

 

PARATYPHOID

 

 

 

A great many articles have been dedicated to this disease and right so because this

 

disease has caused enormous damage to our pigeon population over the years.

 

Based on lots of contacts and different literature we can say that even the greatest champions have experienced this disease. Especially in the earlier years there must have been huge losses ; think of for example the fifties and sixties when quality medicines and the vaccine in particular weren’t available yet. But even today treatment remains difficult ; in the course of this article we’ll explain why. From this viewpoint you can put that paratyphoid is one of the most dangerous diseases among the pigeon fanciers ; paramyxo for example is also a very bad disease, but in this case you can secure your dovecote by using a very simple injection.

 

 

 

Paratyphoid is an infectious disease caused by a kind of Salmonella that only causes problems with pigeons and not with other animals, even not with other poultry. The exact name of the pigeon strain is Salmonella typhimurium variety Copenhague and it is remarkable but very important to know that it only causes illness among pigeons. Over the last decades the disease has been found with an almost constant frequency although I’m convinced it has increased during the last few years.

 

 

 

Even with this well-known pigeon disease there are still some points to declare such as for example the beginning of the disease ; the same so for more recently found diseases such as streptococcus gallolyticus ( known as streptococcus bovis), adenoviroses, ….

 

It is presumed that the bacterium is picked up and hence enters the intestines ; from there it can come in the blood and spread all over the body to all kinds of organs such as the longs, the liver, the testicle, the central nervous system, the articulations … It can also be found in the muscles, the skin and the eye-lids. Only a few of those bacteria are not sufficient to cause the disease. You need millions of them. It takes about two weeks for the symptoms, i.e. very often a wetty defecation, to become clear. I think the entrance in a colony is not caused by the travel baskets but especially by obtaining an infected pigeon which is perfectly capable of spreading the millions of bacteria necessary for infection in the dovecote ; and then by contaminated fodder, drinking water ….. especially with hot weather !

 

 

 

The symptoms are, to put it with an understatement, very diverse and sometimes even misleading, except of course for the very typical signs, which are well-known, such as wing paralisation or limping by inflamation of the articulations. A fast slimming pigeon is also very suspicious if there isn’t any other reason to be found, especially when it occurs more than once.

 

Sometimes diagnosis can be made easily with such pigeons through a simple bloodtest. This is a very important step in the treatment. Nevertheless, you mustn’t decide too easily with a negative blood test that it isn’t paratyphoid because the agglutine antibodies disappear very quickly after the infection. As such there are a lot of recently infected pigeons that had a negative blood result. In some cases you can see twisted necks with growing young in the nest. One should also think of paratyphoid whenever there are complaints of diminishing condition, worse results, wetty defecation, slowly growing young or complaints of any kind. The problem is that in that case it is far more difficult to make a certain diagnosis.

 

Blood tests will generally be negative ; the other possibility  to come to a diagnosis is trying to breed the Salmonella germ either from a mixed manure sample or through autopsy of the injuries that can be found in for example the long, the liver, …

 

In the beginning of this article we stated that treatment is a difficult issue. It is based on 3 principles : 1) improvement of the dovecote + hygiene 2) administering medicine 3) vaccination.

 

First of all the general hygienic conditions must be optimised, i.e. overpopulation must be avoided, a slatted base is recommendable, cleaning and desinfectating regularly is indispensable, clinically infected and less valuable animals must be disposed of …. It must be said that the high resistance of the Salmonella bacterium creates an extra special reason why control is such a difficult issue ; it can survive weeks, even months in manure, roof gutters, earth …

 

From this viewpoint it is logical that smaller colonies are less threatened. You can also see that when breeding, the bacterium gets constantly the chance to rife and hence to infect ; thus a more sufficient approach is necesarry when breeding stops. As put earlier, vaccination is an important means for exterminating the disease ; important is the quality of the vaccine, taking into account the aim of building immunity and also the side effects. Therefore applying the vaccination yearly on young doves in big cotes with a high risk of infection is recommendable. Of course administering efficient medicines will also contribute to the elimination of the bacterium.

[Guest]

Seems there are over 2000 strains of Salmonella.

 

Really surprised at this article tho, salmonella-contamined Sesame Seeds?????

 

http://www.food.gov.uk/news/newsarchive/2007/oct/hollandsesameseeds

[timbarra]

it sounds like paratyphoid which is a strain of samonnella. the pigeons may show signs of holding one wing up.

baytri 10% solution from a vet at a rate of 2ml to 4 pints is recommended and birds should recover, but i would not keep the ones that show paralysis.

 

check with vet first is always a good thing to do though. but sounds like it. it can be contracted from picking in gutters and around the garden.

[DOVEScot]

YES! All needled. SURELY THE  MINUTE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PARAMYXO, SALMOLNELLA AND PARATYPHOID SHOULD MAKE THEM ALL NOTIFIABLE DISEASES

 

I had to deal with DEFRA recently

They are all notifiable in the sense if your vet detects any of them, a report will be sent to DEFRA,

Salmonela is a bacteria that widespread but can be contained easier as a bacteria, if you don't handle poultry from the butcher properly you risk salmonela infection.

If it becomes a virus type as in PMV then it can take many forms, and multiply a lot quicker and spread a lot easier to a point viruses can become airborn

Hence a lot tighter with the regulations and procedures

[Guest dogeon]

i was told tonight to treat my birds for selmonella before i pair them up, can any one enlighten me as to why? and what to get?

[DOVEScot]

i was told tonight to treat my birds for selmonella before i pair them up, can any one enlighten me as to why? and what to get?

 

I would only test the droppings then treat it they had anything, I would not treat for Salmonela if they never had it :-/

[Guest dogeon]

so its not a routine thing that every pigeon fancier does

[DOVEScot]

so its not a routine thing that every pigeon fancier does

 

Not as far as I know, never heard of it, We have encountered salmonela and defra had us do droppings tests so we could get the all clear, we also have chickens and in all the years never done a routine treatment

[EAGLEOWL]

Causes and Clinical Signs

 

Salmonellosis is caused by a bacterial infection and a number of different strains of Salmonella are capable of causing disease in pigeons.

 

The disease is particularly severe in young birds and can be introduced into a loft by an apparently healthy carrier bird that can excrete the organism in faeces or saliva but which shows no clinical signs of disease itself.  Young birds can be affected from crop milk or affected faeces.  Salmonellae most commonly affect the intestinal tract.  Affected birds have enteritis which may be blood stained, they are depressed, rapidly become dehydrated and emaciated and death quickly follows if they are not treated.

 

It is possible for Salmonellae to enter the blood stream and a generalised infection will result.  On post mortem examination the organism can be recovered from various body organs.

 

In addition to the two forms of Salmonella recorded above cases are seen where the organism localises in one or more joints.  Affected joints are swollen and painful and movement of the joint is lost due to the pain involved.  If the organism localised in the brain nervous signs will be seen depending upon the area of brain involved.

 

 

 

Diagnosis

 

Laboratory testing is required to confirm a diagnosis of Salmonellosis.  Positive cases must be reported to the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) under the Zoonosis order.  The disease needs to be differentiated from other causes of diarrhoea (viruses, other bacteria, parasites etc) injury to the joint and other causes of nervous signs including Paramyxo-virus and poisoning.

 

Where dead birds are available for post mortem examination cultures from the birds should determine whether or not the organism is present.   In live birds faecal and mouth swabs may detect the organism but as birds can be intermittent excreters a single negative result does not definitely preclude the presence of Salmonella.

 

 

 

Note:

 

Most strains of Salmonella can cause disease in man.  This can be very serious in the young, old and debilitated.  Strict personal hygiene after handling birds and loft equipment and before eating /smoking is therefore essential.

 

 

 

Prevention.

 

Isolate newly introduced birds and if there is any doubt have faeces and mouth swabs cultured for Salmonella.  

 

Good loft hygiene will reduce spread within the loft and where a loft is known to be affected then an eradication and control programme, which will depend upon conditions in the loft and facilities etc., needs to be agreed with the attending veterinary surgeon.

 

i copied this from a post by c.s if you missed it

[EAGLEOWL]

i was told tonight to treat my birds for selmonella before i pair them up, can any one enlighten me as to why? and what to get?

 

who told you his he a vet  

 

 

[Guest dogeon]

yes thanks i read this but it didn't explaine that i had to treat before breeding

[EAGLEOWL]

yes thanks i read this but it didn't explaine that i had to treat before breeding

 

why would you want to treat your birds if theres nothing wrong with them