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[Guest IB]

I thought i would have got an answer before now boys or does no one know the answer???????????????

 

Ivermectin has been around for a long time, and there are many conflicting articles on it. Was having a search for them, came across something 'new' [2005  ;D  ] which might be of help to you and others. About bird wormers in general, by a New Zealand? vet from another forum.

 

 

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Bird Worming     

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Brett Gartrell, BVSc MACVSc(Avian Health) PhD

Lecturer in Avian and Wildlife Health

IVABS, Massey University

Palmerston North, NZ

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The first thing to note is that no wormer is 100% effective in birds. Different worms require different drugs and worms can develop resistance to all drugs.

 

Different types of birds require different strategies to worm. Desert adapted birds such as bush budgies, princess parrots and many finches are difficult to worm in water, especially with drugs that taste bitter. Crop worming is the best way to worm these birds but may practically be very difficult where large numbers of birds are involved. Finches can sometimes be wormed with drugs mixed through seed although it is difficult to ensure the right dose is consumed.

 

In water worming should not be used on very hot days as birds can overdose very easily. Finches must be very accurately weighed if you are going to use crop worming, as some of these drugs are potentially fatal.

 

Birds should either be wormed regularly or have their droppings tested for worm eggs. Worm eggs can only be seen with a microscope with the exception of tapeworm eggs that are about the size of a grain of rice.

 

Birds in suspended cages should be wormed or tested once or twice a year, as the chances of them re-infesting are low. The level of worm eggs can be kept low on a concrete floor by regular cleaning with soapy water. Dirt and sand floors will gradually accumulate worm eggs and the only way to stop this is to change the top few inches every year. Well-drained floors also help reduce worm egg burdens. Birds on dirt or sand floors should be wormed three to four times a year.

 

Aim to ensure birds are free of worms prior to breeding. Change the type of worming drench you use to ensure that worms don’t build up resistance to the drugs you are using.

 

Types of wormers

 

1. Fenbendazole (Panacur 2.5)

Do not use Panacur 5 or Panacur 10 as these formulations can cause deaths.

It is effective against roundworm and Giardia and has some effect against capillaria (hairworm). It can cause feather abnormalities if given during moult or to growing chicks and can cause mortality in high doses.

 

Crop dose rate: 0.1mls/100g of bodyweight by crop daily for 3 days

Water dose rate: 5 mls/litre for 3 days. Settles quickly so must be stirred regularly.

In seed: mix 8mls with 12 mls vegetable oil and add to 1 kilogram of seed and feed 6-7 days.

 

2. Ivermectin (Ivomec Sheep Drench)

Do not use the cattle formulation as it is fat-soluble and must be diluted with propylene glycol before use. The sheep preparation is water-soluble but must be protected from light. It is effective against some roundworms, lice and mites (including air sac mite and scaly face mite).

It can cause nerve damage at doses just above the effective dose so use carefully. It must be changed daily to remain effective. There has been high levels of resistance to ivermectin develop in bird roundworms.

 

Crop dose: 200 micrograms/ kg. Dilute 1:10 with water and then give at 0.25mls/100g bodyweight by crop daily for 3 days

In water dose: 5mls per litre of water for 5 days. Repeat in 2 weeks.

 

3. Levamisole (Nilverm Pig and Poultry Drench, Avitrol and Avitrol-plus)

Effective against most worms except tapeworm. It has been one of the few drugs effective against gizzard worm in finches and spiruroid worms in magpies (however see Moxidectin). Side effects include vomiting, incoordination, wing and leg paralysis and death. Do not use in hot weather or in ill birds.

 

Crop dose rate: 25-50 mg/kg. Avitrol = 0.5mls/100g bodyweight once by crop.

In water dose rate is:

Nilverm = 5mls/litre of water for 3 days. Repeat in 2 weeks.

Avitrol = 25mls/litre for 24 hours. Repeat in 2 weeks.

 

4. Moxidectin (Vet-dectin oral drench for sheep)

This is a newer drug and is still largely unknown. Don’t use the cattle pour-on or the low volume formulation (Cydectin LV). However it is very effective against gizzard worm, roundworm, capillaria, air sac mite and scaly face mite.

 

Crop dose rate: dilute 1:10 with water and give at 0.2ml/100g bodyweight by crop once and repeat in two weeks.

In water dose rate: 5mls per litre of water for 5 days and repeat in two weeks.

 

5. Niclosamide (Niclocide, Yomesan)

Is effective only against tapeworm. Comes in a 500mg tablet.

Do not use in pigeons, geese and ducks as deaths have been reported.

 

Dose at 50mg/kg once a week for 4 weeks in seed gruel.

Bake into a cake for finches at a dose rate of 500mg/kg.

 

6. Oxfendazole (Synanthic, Benzelmin, Systamex)

This is a white drench that is the best drug to use in water as it is quite stable and doesn’t taste too bad. It is very effective against roundworms and has some effect against tapeworm when given for 5 days. Each brand has a different dose so need to work out dose in milligrams; see below.

Very little side effects except can cause feather abnormalities if given to growing chicks or during the moult.

 

In water dose: 100-200mg per litre of water for 3-5 days. Repeat in 2 weeks.

Crop dose: 2mg/100grams of bodyweight by mouth once daily for 3-5 days.

 

7. Piperazine (Piperazine solution for Poultry and Pigs, Bird wormer)

This is a commonly sold wormer through pet shops and supermarkets that is NOT EFFECTIVE in finches and parrots for any worms. Has some effect against roundworms in pigeons and poultry but is not recommended due to the high levels of resistance that occur in bird worms.

 

8. Praziquantel (Droncit, Virbac tapewormer tablets)

It is effective only against tapeworm. It settles out in water so must be given as crop wormer (usually mixed with other wormer) or in food. Injectable droncit is available but causes death in finches.

 

Crop dose: one tablet (50mg) crushed into 5mls liquid and given at

0.1ml/100g bodyweight once. Repeat in 10-14 days.

Food dose (finches): ¼ tablet per 30-50 finches mixed evenly in soft food.

 

9. Pyrantel (Combantrim children’s wormer, Canex puppy suspension)

This is useful as a single dose crop wormer for roundworms and some capillaria. Praziquantel (Droncit) can be added to include effects against tapeworm. It can cause vomiting. It settles out of water and can only be used by crop worming. Waterfowl can be wormed with Drontal tablets at the dose on the packet by weight.

 

Crop dose: Crush one droncit tablet for every 5 mls Combantrim liquid.

Give 0.1mls/100g bodyweight

Tablet dose: One tablet per 10 kg of body weight orally

 

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[Guest bigbok]

i would go for a tablet or drop formula at this time of year medicating in cold weather i think the birds can take it or leave it and all may not drink enough to be effective even if you withhold the water far better although longer

would use owens advice on the moxy far better results this way

[whiteknight]

Is ivermectin any good for hair worm???

MOXIDECTINE :-/ SPELLING.

 

 

[Guest strapper]

one word of warning about wormers especially ivermectin in racing season..especially the bigger races if you prefer distance racing.

ivermectin is known to knock pigeons off form so do your worming early on or best out of season.

[franny41]

whiteknight Less than a minute ago  Quote

 

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Is ivermectin any good for hair worm???

MOXIDECTINE  SPELLING.

 

  

 

You a member of the spelling police??? :-/

 

[franny41]

Thanks for your replies.....IB, BigBoc Strapper. cheers boys.

[Roland]

Is ivermectin any good for hair worm???

 

Gordon Chambers was at a convention. Was speaking to other prominent Vets etc.

Seems it is as good as anything on the market.

Will try to find his piece in it sometime.

Seems used properly the floor was agasted with all sorts of worms.

[franny41]

Thanks Roland i was told that eqvalan can be used does anyone use this???

[gulkie]

does moxidectin have to be supplied through a vet?.

[Guest IB]

Thanks Roland i was told that eqvalan can be used does anyone use this???

 

Only had worms - hairworm - once, was advised by vet to use Levamisol in water for 3 days. Levamisol is the active ingredient in Harker's Harka-Verm. Think it was around £8 for 100ml.

[Guest devonred]

Does anyone know where to get this Moxidectin?? (worm treatment) please

[holmsidelofts]

hair worm but not too many, iam told every bird has them but not a prob till something else kicks in but owen is your man on this he knows his stuff

 

you should have zero hair worm they can be very dangerous and cause lots of damage to the bird. treat them with a good wormer i suggest chevita ascapilla plus, one capsule will cure.