eyesign opinions please.

[pigeonscout]

If the cock has good eyesign and the hen has not, will the young birds turn out to be good or bad? if they turn out to be good then the hen did not have a bad eyesign as her eyesign has bred winners. If they turn out to be crap then the cock did not have good eyesign as his eyesign bred crap. So when does it become a good or bad eye sign as it takes two to breed.

[Guest Owen]

I take the point that this thing started as a bit of fun. But rather than "Butt out", I think that you have put the whole subject into context.

You evidently regard the eye sign idea as something not to be taken too seriously. Just a bit of fun.

My problem is that this Forum is used by people who are new to pigeon racing and want to learn. With this in mind, I don't think that we should be talking in a serious way about things that likely to mislead them. It might be a bit of fun to those who know the score but it will be less than helpful to the learners.

The sad thing is that anyone can seriousley talk about a subject like this that makes no sense. I understand how the sex gene works and also how the recessive and dominant genes play their part in inheritance. I also understand the fallacy in relying on Strain Names and the concept of the Golden Couple. People like Staf van Reet and other great breeders would not have got far if they trusted to working with untried stock. They used a very precise method of selection. What they did was stick to the distance and type of competition of their choice and selected from the birds who did best at that very precise type of racing. What they did not do was to mate long distance birds with sprint birds, as an example. They kept things very simple. Only select from birds that are successful at one type of competition and stick to it.

I will not make any more contibutions to this subject. But I sincerly hope that no-one is taken in by all this talk of eyesign and neglects to try to understand and work with the principles of progeny testing. Because that is where the real progress will be made.

[Mealy Cock]

Question for none eye sign fans, what do you look at when you are purchasing a pigeon? Wing? balance? structure?

Head? --- 99% will look at the eye! Now why would you do that?

 

One more food for thought.

 

I went to an auction and on looking at a certain strain of bird; all's that was on the info was winner and breeder of winners.

No information to back it up except the pedigree. The bird was small and on the wild side and not my type at all

however I got my eye glass out and what a cracking eye it had, Gold and the widest circle I had ever come across.

 

At that moment an elderly fancier said to me look up its B-- side an un-called for comment I did not rise to the bait

I purchased the bird for £40.00 and paired it to a Janssen hen  of better construction, guess what? in its first year of breeding it bred 2 cocks, 1 topped the fed 2 years running the other cock could have won the club and 5th fed but I chose not to clock it in as I all ready had 4 back before it, a well invested £40.00 based on eye sign

 

 

 

[Guest bigda]

like i said before let brian may, into yer shed, and  let him keep what he finds to be good from yer shed,  if he walks away with yer fed toppers and breeders  you might be convinced  that would be  nice to see   ;D ;D ;D

[Novice]

I have a pigeon in my loft bred 2009. His parents were selected from a stud by Brian May and sent to friends of his in Scotland. I bought the bird at a breeder buyer sale because I liked his type.

He was my most consistent youngster (although it was short programme) with one first and one second prize (beaten by a loft mate) from 5 races entered.

If he continues the good work next year I may start to believe.

[Guest bigda]

I have a pigeon in my loft bred 2009. His parents were selected from a stud by Brian May and sent to friends of his in Scotland. I bought the bird at a breeder buyer sale because I liked his type.

He was my most consistent youngster (although it was short programme) with one first and one second prize (beaten by a loft mate) from 5 races entered.

If he continues the good work next year I may start to believe.

 

dont tell them to much mate,  you will swell there  heads ;D

[Guest youngzimmy]

0NE EITHER SIDE OF THE HEID DOES FOR ME

[ionela]

5 with 13 ist a good pair

[Guest]

like i said before let brian may, into yer shed, and  let him keep what he finds to be good from yer shed,  if he walks away with yer fed toppers and breeders  you might be convinced  that would be  nice to see   ;D ;D ;D

If you beleive in eyesign then you believe in crystal balls because trust me, and this is after talking to a top avian vet, eyesign means absolutely nothing except to the person who THINKS he knows what it means.   For the record I'd happilly challenge Brian May to a test although I'd not give him any of my birds as eyesign is like the toss of the coin, you have a 50/50 chance of getting right just out of pure chance.    

 

 

 

 

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

I have only got eyes for 1 bird and thats the mrs  

[Guest strapper]

it seems to me and ive always believed that ...if these so called eyesign enthusiasts believe this theory....then why havent you got a loft full of champions????...and why have you got birds that dont make the grade?

 

it dont bother me what they believe ,thats entirely upto them,

[Guest strapper]

I have only got eyes for 1 bird and thats the mrs  

 

is she watching the screen then greig?? ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

 

is she watching the screen then greig?? ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

no yet but she knows a was at a sale the day so she might start asking questions lol

 

[Guest bigda]

If you believe in eyesign then you believe in crystal balls because trust me, and this is after talking to a top avian vet, eyesign means absolutely nothing except to the person who THINKS he knows what it means.   For the record I'd happilly challenge Brian May to a test although I'd not give him any of my birds as eyesign is like the toss of the coin, you have a 50/50 chance of getting right just out of pure chance.    

 

if he took 1 bird from you and you had 2 that would make it 50% think  you need to head  back to school right enough as  i say all the doubters,  stand up to the challenge and remember he keeps the ones he picks  ;D

 

 

[Guest bigda]

and come to think about it, what vet would converse with you  never known  vets  to  bother

about anything, other than  yeast,  cocci, and bacteria,  and a fee of £25 a look  :-/

[Guest]

You clearly don't know the logic behind eyesign, who needs to go to school>?   ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Guest]

and come to think about it, what vet would converse with you  never known  vets  to  bother

about anything, other than  yeast,  cocci, and bacteria,  and a fee of £25 a look  :-/

£25 a look?  You've been ripped off, mine is available 24/7 free.   8)

 

 

[Guest]

The only eyes i like are the ones that win or breed winners,i was once told by a eyesign specialist that the pair i put together would not breed winners,4 1st feds,5 breeder buyer winners 2nds 3rds gold ring races,well well what can one say i think he needs to go back to school

[Guest bigda]

The only eyes i like are the ones that win or breed winners,i was once told by a eyesign specialist that the pair i put together would not breed winners,4 1st feds,5 breeder buyer winners 2nds 3rds gold ring races,well well what can one say i think he needs to go back to school

 

there you go then, with all your knowledge and what to look for

you can breed a hutch full ;D ;D ;D you now know the secret of  eye sign ;D