pigeon neck problems

[DOVEScot]

hi les im using the electrolights in the water and hand feeding the sick bird afta the sick bird has had a drink of water with electrolight mixd in it it seems a bit better for about 5 mins then it goes bck to same

 

That is quite common for the bird to look a little better after a drink but as you say it only lasts a little while, good think is they are drinking so you can gett some good stuff into them

[Guest amar]

is there any member that are from bradford or near bradford

[Guest]

i nw it wont work in 2 minutes but after it has a drink of water it seems to shack his head less

thats because the water stops the iritation of the crop from the virus ,after he has drank about 10 miniuts put some ground nut oil down his throat it is easier if you can get a sringe but dont be to rough with the sringe ,ground nut oil can be bought from a large supermarket it is peanut oil ,

 

 

[gangster]

im not 2 far from bradford.........why ???

[Guest IB]

thats because the water stops the iritation of the crop from the virus ,after he has drank about 10 miniuts put some ground nut oil down his throat it is easier if you can get a sringe but dont be to rough with the sringe ,ground nut oil can be bought from a large supermarket it is peanut oil ,

 

 

No offence Les, but I feel you misunderstand how a virus behaves. Until a virus attaches to and infects a living cell, a virus is lifeless, if not harmless. In a viral disease the virus takes over the living cell and uses it to manufacture more virus. The body reacts by killing all infected cells.

 

If this pigeon has a viral infection, then by the sound of it, it is currently in its nervous system, in the brain and spinal column, and not in its crop. So giving oil isn't the answer.

 

But you are right in that birds do pick up quickly, but not as quick as in a couple of minutes.    

 

[mac]

i agree with your comments on viral infection IB

[DOVEScot]

 

No offence Les, but I feel you misunderstand how a virus behaves. Until a virus attaches to and infects a living cell, a virus is lifeless, if not harmless. In a viral disease the virus takes over the living cell and uses it to manufacture more virus. The body reacts by killing all infected cells.

 

If this pigeon has a viral infection, then by the sound of it, it is currently in its nervous system, in the brain and spinal column, and not in its crop. So giving oil isn't the answer.

 

But you are right in that birds do pick up quickly, but not as quick as in a couple of minutes.    

 

The drink is probably just cooling it down due the increase in temperature caused by the illness or as Les says easing the pain in the throat or crop :-/

[Guest amar]

im looking for sum racer that i can fly with my birds thats y i askd if there was any1 close to bradford

[Guest]

 

No offence Les, but I feel you misunderstand how a virus behaves. Until a virus attaches to and infects a living cell, a virus is lifeless, if not harmless. In a viral disease the virus takes over the living cell and uses it to manufacture more virus. The body reacts by killing all infected cells.

 

If this pigeon has a viral infection, then by the sound of it, it is currently in its nervous system, in the brain and spinal column, and not in its crop. So giving oil isn't the answer.

 

But you are right in that birds do pick up quickly, but not as quick as in a couple of minutes.    

i can only say what i was told by probibly the top pigeon vet in the country  who helped me when i had para he treats 99percent of the UNC  when ever they have any probs and he explaind that the virus atacks the lining of the crop to get into the nervus system  it irrats the lining of the crop thats whats make them drink excesive,i found out about the oil out of a book i think it was called month by month by frank hall find a copy and read how this person got his birds over para by using this method when there was no treat ment for it  .and i told this treat ment to a top flyer who also had it in his stock birds he did not want to loose a bird he had in his stock loft that is a son of jester xcarrie who develeoped the twisted neck it helped him save the pigeon ,he was goin to kill it untill he got this info of me it also helped him save most of his stock birds ,he was grate full for the help and gave me the pick of the stock loft .it must do some thing to help so worth a try .

 

 

[DOVEScot]

im looking for sum racer that i can fly with my birds thats y i askd if there was any1 close to bradford

 

Best to get this problem sorted first before getting more stock, I am sure there are plenty of fanciers that will help you out once you do, myself included

[Guest amar]

thank you

[Guest IB]

i can only say what i was told by probibly the top pigeon vet in the country  who helped me when i had para he treats 99percent of the UNC  when ever they have any probs and he explaind that the virus atacks the lining of the crop to get into the nervus system  it irrats the lining of the crop thats whats make them drink excesive,i found out about the oil out of a book i think it was called month by month by frank hall find a copy and read how this person got his birds over para by using this method when there was no treat ment for it  .and i told this treat ment to a top flyer who also had it in his stock birds he did not want to loose a bird he had in his stock loft that is a son of jester xcarrie who develeoped the twisted neck it helped him save the pigeon ,he was goin to kill it untill he got this info of me it also helped him save most of his stock birds ,he was grate full for the help and gave me the pick of the stock loft .it must do some thing to help so worth a try .

 

 

I think you may have been misled.

 

I have always understood paramyxo to be a flu-type  virus affecting birds. I published an Avian flu  paper on here by Dr Erhardt Kaleta (who advises the German Homing Union) in which he calls paramyxo 'atypical bird flu'.

 

It is  actually a family of viruses that affects animals - and humans, and can cause mumps, measles and a type of flu in us too. In other words its a respiratory illness, and infection gains access from there. There is reference to this in this on line advert for a book, in Chapter 13 (II) at this link..

 

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=dij0Vz1SmVAC&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=paramyxoviridae+family&source=web&ots=fFZI4ndRnK&sig=uedyZ73N-oALyV2iBbktJeEZ0G4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result

 

[Guest]

what is your oppinion on why do the birds drink so mutch water ,and dont we get a sore throat before we get a cold

[ALF]

Amar i dont want to sound cruel mate but i think it is best to suppress the birds and start fresh mate once the loft has been thoroughly disinfected

 

Alan

[DOVEScot]

Amar i dont want to sound cruel mate but i think it is best to suppress the birds and start fresh mate once the loft has been thoroughly disinfected

 

Alan

 

Surely not before he finds out what is wrong with them first :-/

[ALF]

 

Surely not before he finds out what is wrong with them first :-/

 

Only speaking through what i have seen in my time in pigeons and if they are as bad as he says get rid of ASAP and start again is the only way!

[Guest]

 

Surely not before he finds out what is wrong with them first :-/

not only that but he will learn a considerable lot about pigeons by at least trying to do what he can first

 

 

[DOVEScot]

 

Only speaking through what i have seen in my time in pigeons and if they are as bad as he says get rid of ASAP and start again is the only way!

 

I had one squab in the nest that developed a twisted neck, took it to the defra vets at Edinburgh, they post mortemed it and found the inflamation was due to menigitis, it's nest mate was fine and no other pigeon was affected and all droppings tests since then have been normal, like you say only speaking through what my experience has been in my time in pigeons  :-/

So it is not the only way :-/

[ALF]

 

I had one squab in the nest that developed a twisted neck, took it to the defra vets at Edinburgh, they post mortemed it and found the inflamation was due to menigitis, it's nest mate was fine and no other pigeon was affected and all droppings tests since then have been normal, like you say only speaking through what my experience has been in my time in pigeons  :-/

So it is not the only way :-/

 

The way i see it if a y/b is ill then it's a sign of weakness and it is moved on ..no questions asked no matter what it's bred from or who by if it isnae right then it goes end of story!

 

I want fit and healthy racing pigeons not doos that i can sit and admire all the time otherwise i would'nt be racing them at all

[DOVEScot]

 

The way i see it if a y/b is ill then it's a sign of weakness and it is moved on ..no questions asked no matter what it's bred from or who by if it isnae right then it goes end of story!

 

I want fit and healthy racing pigeons not doos that i can sit and admire all the time otherwise i would'nt be racing them at all

 

Each to their own Alf, no need to have a dig about the fact you race yours and we don't yet :-/

 

[ALF]

 

Each to their own Alf, no need to have a dig about the fact you race yours and we don't yet :-/

 

Not having a dig at all Dovescot but i know that a y/b that is not right wont last long racing thats a fact mate They may look ok but once you start training them they just have'nt got it thats why i said best to get rid of them it's the only way and i am talking through my own experiences here

[DOVEScot]

 

Not having a dig at all Dovescot but i know that a y/b that is not right wont last long racing thats a fact mate They may look ok but once you start training them they just have'nt got it thats why i said best to get rid of them it's the only way and i am talking through my own experiences here

 

Sorry my mistake Alf, I thought this was a dig at the fact we enjoy our fancy ones and and don't race our racers as yet, although we will be soon

 

I agree that a bird with a twisted neck woudn't be very good at racing

 

 

I want fit and healthy racing pigeons not doos that i can sit and admire all the time   

[ALF]

 

Sorry my mistake Alf, I thought this was a dig at the fact we enjoy our fancy ones and and don't race our racers as yet, although we will be soon

 

 

y/b's that are'nt right in my experience are never any good keep a note of the 1's that get i'll and see how they do in y/b or if they last as old birds not a lot as they are lacking after becoming ill

[DOVEScot]

 

y/b's that are'nt right in my experience are never any good keep a note of the 1's that get i'll and see how they do in y/b or if they last as old birds not a lot as they are lacking after becoming ill

 

Your right and as I posted this very early in the thread you will see I agree with you but telling the guy to get rid of all his stock because of one bird that has not been diagnosed yet is my argument :-/

 

If it looks like this it has an inflamation of the nervour sytem in the brain caused by a number of ailments, the pigeon that has gone this far is beyond treatment, did you get them tested or did you just treat with baytril.

The one that has gone like this was probably too far gone or did not respond to the baytril, once the baytril was finished you should have had them tested again, baytril is just a broad spectrum antibiotic and may not cover the ailment you have

Possible ailments include paramyxo, salmonella or meningitis, best to get checked by a vet preferably an avian one as it may spread thoughout your loft if not treated properly

 

 

 

[ALF]

I've had some really good looking birds that were never any good (as has probably 100% of us ) but in my loft if they dont race well then they dont stay I'm only trying to save the boy from a lot of heartache in my opinion as i dont think his birds will be any good now but if he wants more y/b's for next year just drop me a pm and i'll get him sorted out with a few y/b's to get him started racing