Throwing up

[ZK]

Hi guys and girls,

 

I walked into my loft today when i noticed one of my birds was throwing up... the cock bord threw up wheat he ate the night before!!

 

The pigeon in question has not been well in recent days - droppings are green and watery and he is puffed up alot of the times - I have noticed he shakes too....

 

What can this be??

 

I have been treating him with harkers cocci (in water) for the past few days - but i have noiced no improvement,

 

I have separated him now - shall i keep him on only water? or is it ok to give him normal feed too??

 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

ZK

[OLDYELLOW]

go see a avian vet could be a couple of things  

[Guest bigda]

signs are  pmv to me  if the  bird is shaking looks like it has not got immunity, from the   pmv jag you gave it  

[ZK]

does anyone know where i can get details of avian vets in the west midlands area?

[Guest strapper]

Hi guys and girls,

 

I walked into my loft today when i noticed one of my birds was throwing up... the cock bord threw up wheat he ate the night before!!

 

The pigeon in question has not been well in recent days - droppings are green and watery and he is puffed up alot of the times - I have noticed he shakes too....

 

What can this be??

 

I have been treating him with harkers cocci (in water) for the past few days - but i have noiced no improvement,

 

I have separated him now - shall i keep him on only water? or is it ok to give him normal feed too??

 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

ZK

 

if the droppings are green and watery(there is a difference between wet and watery) then it shows that the birds condition inside is not right...as already said..seek a vet ..there are the usual things that could be wrong so instead of guessing its best treatment is a vet...if you take it to a vet he/she will see it there and then ,if they aint busy(ring them 1st is best to save a journey)..if you send droppings off it will take longer and it could get worse.

 

 

[Guest joshdonlan]

maybe worms?

[Guest IB]

It could help to pinpoint what is wrong with the bird if you knew why the pigeon vomited. Some medications can make the bird vomit, does the label say this is a side effect? Was there any smell to the grain brought up, e.g. alcohol [yeast fermenting] which is a clue that the bird had been holding its corn, possibly due to a blockage of some sort further down the gut, and the crop has become imflamed. In these circumstances it is usual to withhold food for 24 hours, and acidify the crop & gut by adding something like cider apple vinegar [or household vinegar] 5ml to ltre of plain drinking water. After 24 hours, feed the bird small amounts of a different, lighter mix until the droppings form up again, when it can go back to normal meals.

 

Look upon this as First Aid only. If it hasn't pulled round within 72 hours, and none of the other birds are affected, then its permanent removal is your 1st option; or if the bird is valuable [note that it is worth a lot less now] as others advise, consult an avian vet, but expect to be out of pocket by up to £50..

[BLACK W F]

sounds like pmv  but get them checked by vet

[ribble]

Bin it, harsh but for the best.

[Skull Lofts]

Hi guys and girls,

 

I walked into my loft today when i noticed one of my birds was throwing up... the cock bord threw up wheat he ate the night before!!

 

The pigeon in question has not been well in recent days - droppings are green and watery and he is puffed up alot of the times - I have noticed he shakes too....

 

What can this be??

 

I have been treating him with harkers cocci (in water) for the past few days - but i have noiced no improvement,

 

I have separated him now - shall i keep him on only water? or is it ok to give him normal feed too??

 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

ZK

Sounds more like YBD to me.

 

Give Probiotics, Electrolytes and Vits in water with no feed for 3 days.

Then start feeding it again with only small seeds for a week.

 

Skull

[demolition man]

Bin it, harsh but for the best.

 

i got told off on here last time i told someone to do that ! buts thats what i would do

[Guest MIKE1957]

Hi guys and girls,

 

I walked into my loft today when i noticed one of my birds was throwing up... the cock bord threw up wheat he ate the night before!!

 

The pigeon in question has not been well in recent days - droppings are green and watery and he is puffed up alot of the times - I have noticed he shakes too....

 

What can this be??

 

I have been treating him with harkers cocci (in water) for the past few days - but i have noiced no improvement,

 

I have separated him now - shall i keep him on only water? or is it ok to give him normal feed too??

 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

ZK

 

 

PMV - Paramyxovirus

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cause

and Symptoms - Paramyxovirus or

PMV-1 is a viral infection unique to pigeons

and is extremely contagious, especially in the

racing sport where hundreds or thousands of

birds are mixed and confined prior to release.

Direct contact or indirect contact through

contaminated feed, water or litter can spread

the disease. Symptoms include extremely loose,

watery droppings, lack of appetite, ruffled

feathers poor coordination, and sometimes

paralysis of wings and legs. In advanced

stages, birds will show "twisted neck" symptoms

and many birds will die.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Prevention

- Currently in the U.S and Europe, the only

effective means of protection is by vaccination

with the Maine Biological oil-adjuvant PMV-1

vaccine. Many fanciers are using the LaSota

vaccine, thinking that they are protecting

their birds, but challenge tests using LaSota

vaccine was not effective in producing

antibodies for the pigeon PMV-1 virus. While

the LaSota vaccine was effective for short

duration protection for Newcastle's disease,

this disease is almost non-existent in pigeons

and should be differentiated

fromPMV-1.

 

 

 

 

[Guest Owen]

If I were you I would get to a good avian vet as quick as you like. After you have sorted out the problem you may find that it is just this bird that has the problem. If that is the case get shot of it. You will never win races with weak and sickly birds.

In the longer term it would be well worth the effort to learn to use a microscope. Even if only one or two of you in the area learned it would give you major benefits.

As I have said on this forum before, if you had the use of a microscope you could eliminate a lot of the sorts of common problems that your pigeons suffer from. And better still, you could check the effectivness of any treatment you used. I often see cases were treatments are used but have not cleared the problem. Both hair worms and cocci are cases in point. And it is a big advantage to be able to avoid treating pigeons for things they do not have (blind treatment).

Best of luck with it

Owen

[ZK]

I went down to the local avian vet - after a check-up, the vet advised that the bird has an upset digestion and a rough chest,

 

have been given antibiotics - cant remember the names - will post them later,

 

the birds dropping are back to normal and is moving around now!!

 

not binning the bird was the right thing to do -