epsom salts

[Guest Silverwings]

have used this product every sunday for the past thirty years ? never questioned why ? the local crack flyer told me to use it at the time ? just had a read up on it , now i know why ? .........any one else use it ?

[snowy]

no why do you use it silver wings?

[blue_pied]

Yes mate

 

i use it every sunday as well

 

 

blue_pied

[westburylofts]

Hi Silverwings

 

We do use it every sunday along with bicarb soda and glucose powder.

 

was told by a fancier with over 30 yrs flying.

 

RAY

[blue bar]

ray what is the mixture and how much do use and what dose it do to the birds just intrested

[Guest shadow]

WE use it now to prepare the birds for pairing an odd times during the season helps clear toxins out of system.

[Guest]

I found this on epsom salts.

 

"There is no place for Epsom salts in the loft. Avoid it like the plague. The old idea that it should be used to "clean out" birds is a myth - clean out of what? I ask. To use it on recently returned racing birds -again to clean them out - is just not reasonable. It doesn't kill worms, canker organisms, coccidia or bacteria. It works by drawing badly needed fluids from body tissues into the intestines and these fluids are then expelled as loose droppings - hence the idea, I suppose, of cleaning birds out. It simply dehydrates returning racers even further, something they really don't need. As I suggested in an article I wrote, if you really feel that you need to use Epsom salts, take them yourself! Don't inflict this chemical (magnesium sulfate) on your birds folks - just don't use it in drinking water for your birds."

 

AND THIS

 

"The reason for this is simple, I do not believe in purging but purifying, therefore Epsom salts and Dicestal is old fashioned and has a detrimental effect on the pigeon. The modern scientific method is to purify the blood and get rid of the toxins, which build up in a birds system."

 

Dont know if this helps!!

[andy]

SBELLBIN, AGREE WITH YOU 100%...

[jimmy white]

my old dad used to use ebsom salts,,, he was a good runner ;D ;D ;D

but in this day and age  it is outdated, exellent post by sbelbin

[ certainly not for birds returning from races]

[Guest]

Agreed Jimmy 100%

 

The on;ly things we give our birds when they come back from a race is electrolytes in the water and pellets to eat as they are easily disgestable.

[westburylofts]

 

On asunday we give our bird's this in there water,

 

1/2 teaspoon Bicarb Soda.

1 teaspoon  Epson Salts,

1 Table spoon of glucose powder.

 

add this to 2 liters of water,

 

Now if it harms the birds then i have not seen any proof of this.

last year was our 1st season back with the birds, so racing yb's only we won 8x1st  

12x2nds 8x3rd 10x 4th.   never out side the first two in the club.

 

This season we raced a few old bird races and a few yb races,  5x1st  8x2nd 7x3rd 4x4th

 

all i know is that it helps clean the birds out and helps keep the coxi count down,

 

we first used this in our first season  because two weeks before the 1st yb race we had yb sickness and an old fancier in our club told us to give this mixture to the birds for 3 days and if the birds did not improve then seek advice from the vet, forgot to say that also for the 3 days that the birds are on the mixture only feed barley.  they improved in 2 days,

 

also we make sure that on a monday we give the birds Yackolt in the water at a rate of 2 liters of water,  this will replace the good bugs in the tummy.

 

 

RAY

[Guest]

Well, I don't think I need to say what I think.  ;D

 

Just follow your reasoning: the toxins that you speak of are in the blood; the kidneys filter this directly from the blood and send them 'down the waterworks tubes' and out.

 

Epsom salts and sodium bicorbonate are laxatives which stay in and act upon the gut, they never get into the bloodstream (where the toxins are) they go straight through the pigeon's gut  'like a dose of salts' and straight out taking everything 'solid and liquid' in the gut with them. You've just dehydrated the pigeon...again, and I don't know what else you may have done to a gut system still recovering from Saturdays exertions.

 

I'd cancel the Sunday treatment and bring Monday's live yoghurt treatment forward instead... if for some reason you felt that was still necessary.

 

[Guest]

RAY

 

D0 NOT GIVE THEM THIS AND   DO NOT DO THAT   YOU HAVE A WINNING SYSTEM STICK TO IT  

[westburylofts]

 

 

I am no vet or very hot on medicines,   But would the glucose help reduce the chance of the birds getting dehydrated  ?????.

 

Heathcote

have to agree with you  as the saying go's  if it's not broken then dont fix it

 

RAY

[Guest]

CLEAR WATER FIRST, LATER AFTER FEED PUT ELECTROLTE IN THE WATER-

(GLUCOSE IF A HARD LONG FLY)

[Silverdale Lofts]

Ray in the early 90s i used to make my own electrolytes

1 x teaspoon lo salt

10 x teaspoons glucose

1 x teaspoon bicarbonate soda

 

looking at what your give them i would say your giving them electrolytes

makes 1 1/2 gallons

[westburylofts]

 

CHEERS MATE

 

Have always tested the droppings every two/three weeks and so far they have been fine,

 

Like they say fit and healthy birds win races

 

ray

[Guest Silverwings]

some interesting replies ? agree with heathcote dont change a winning formula , had a putman cock win elgin 351 mils (N.R) gave him the usual epsom on the sunday some live yeast pills monday sent him back to saintes the following wednesday  478 miles (S.R) 1st club 3rd fed 10 hrs on the wing , straight into his hen not the water fountain ?

[Guest]

have used this product every sunday for the past thirty years ? never questioned why ? the local crack flyer told me to use it at the time ?

 

Original post was clearly having a look at the reason (s) why he had adopted this routine. I don't recall telling anyone not to do anything in my post. I simply pointed out the original reasons might not have survived the passage of time... what we thought 30 years ago versus what we know now.

 

 

[Guest Silverwings]

bruno , dont think anyone read into your post in that way ? or infered anything related to it ? most people on this site have high regards for your posts ,and glean a lot of good information from them ,myself included ,at the end of the day people reading these posts  just go Hmmm , aar , or naaah ! go back into the front room and watch little britain or sit staring at the computer screen and perfom a spontaneous combustion ? i just polish my work  boots on our cats wedding tackle .....ray

[Guest]

Thanks, Silv.  Just wanted to double-score that I do not see myself as here to tell anybody what to do.

 

I'll look at the posts and ask myself similar questions 'sounds ok', 'looks good - I'd like to check this out a bit more' or 'never in a million Sundays'. Like most others I'll post what I find and hopefully allow others to make up their own mind based on fact rather than fallacy.

 

One 'slightly' different way I did look at the 'winning method with the Sunday purge' was the thought that without it, the birds performances would probably be even better. But that is my opinion, and the only way to really find out is "Professor White's Test" - to try it out.

[westburylofts]

CHEERS BRUNO

 

I do take on board what you have said, and it has made me think about it in detail

and i also ask myself if what you say may be on the button, so how do i try this out

 

We have decided that next yb season we will have two teams of ybs made up from where possible one from each nest then use our system on one team and then use clear water on the other,  and see what happens.  evey thing else will be the same.

 

thanks for the idear and as you say if you do not try it out you will never know.

 

RAY

[Guest]

Espon Salts is for recovering body? still learning more  ;D

[schouwman71]

the old methods are still the best i think,theres too many hyped up tonics about today,ive used glauber salts ,epson salts and bicarbonated soda for year now and was told to use this on a sunday by the great barry mc,nicholas,he was the best around at sprint racing,i am only 34 and had to learn the hard way as i had no family background of pigeon men,if salts did that much damage to the birds it would show on them and they certainly would not win races. Keep it up ray ur beating them who dont use it.What i say dont knock it until youve tried and tested it.it works for me so i will keep using it.

[Guest speckled]

:-/ Epsom  or Fynon Salts,fanciers you to purge, but this also as schouwman71 said it it does drain the energy, from  the bird.Some also say that it cleanses the birds of worms. The salts may cleance away the worms in the loweer bowel. but thay would have come away,naturally,anyway,All a laxitive does is cleance the bowel, more rapidly, than nature, intended.& in so doing could do more harm than good. Speckled