sour crop

[carl]

Hi all,the other day i noticed one of my stock cocks not coming for food,i picked him up to find hes holding water,his breath stunk realy bad,i flushed his stomach,there was a black muck looking substance coming out very bad,i was advised to now treat him with nistan,i did but he was dead the next day,this was only a 3 year old cock and has bred me good pigeons.He was nesting on the floor as he does every year,theres spare boxes but always went to the floor i blame this

 

any theorys on how this came around

 

thanks

[carl]

though i would say,he wasnt feeding ybs only sitting eggs

[Guest IB]

Strange co-incidence another member reported exact same circumstances 21st February?

 

http://www.pigeonbasics.com/forum/blah/m-1203594241/s-5/highlight-sour+crop/#num5

 

Seems folk tend to 'zoom in' on the crop. Think that's maybe just a symptom, and not the cause? To me sounds like a blockage further down the gut?

 

Reckon that is what probably killed both pigeons, but whether its because they've eaten something that's got stuck, or disease / parasite infestation - don't know.

 

 

[carl]

thanks for that ib,this is the 2nd time i have had this in 5 year so not that bad,i would like to avoid it in the future

[billy wilson]

ive had this before lot of years ago what i did was make a cut in the birds crop this is easiest way of clearing the crop it is easily stiched with needle and thread if a little water comes out through where you stitched it i will soon nit together as i think the pigeon is the quickest healing bird on the plannet.

 

                                                                                billy

[Guest IB]

Billy, if 'it' is something confined to the crop, surely opening the bird up will give 'it' access to the bloodstream through the cut you've made? If that's the case haven't you just given 'it' easy passage to every major organ in the body?

[jimmy white]

its difficult to say without seeing the bird but a post mortem would ease your mind in finding out why this bird died,

i have often found with crop problems is to dilute milton as it says on the bottle,[even a little stronger] is use a syringe [without the needle ] fill the crop absolutely full, turn the bird upside down and squeese it all out [in other words bathe the birds crop with milton] do this a few times , this will kill any imediate bacteria in the crop ,,,,,,,,,,,,in saying this i think your problem lies further than the crop , only a pm would be able to tell you more , sorry you lost your bird

[Tony C]

Dr Colin Walker (the flying vet book) suggests that in 90% of cases sour crop is a result of a canker nodule located at the base of the crop.

[T_T]

I have a little Bl C here in my loft that had exactly the same symptoms.  This pigeon was almost dead on his feet.  He couldn't stand up.I picked him up and turned him upside down and gently,very gently, squeezed his crop to flush him out and then gave him a course of Old Hand sour crop tablets.  He's repaid me since and is now in the stock loft.  His name ? The Sour Crop cock. The tablets really do work.  I think this cock,had picked up something in the garden.

[billy wilson]

the bird in question was a good bird after cutting an opening in the crop we used to paint inside the crop with iodine the cock was racing again in three weeks and still went on to win races,the days ime talking about there wasnt much on the market regarding medacine,most were old hands i think he must 200 years old now but alot of his gear worked,put alot of pigeons right,on saying that i got the remedy about the crop from an old first aid book

 

                                                                   billy