y.b.s.

[j.childs]

just wondering....who treats with what for young bird sickness.........

[Guest shadow]

never had to treat for it but do use garlic and cider vinegar in the drinkers on a regular basis

[Guest racer]

hydrated lime from builders yard handfull in a bucket leave to settle for 24hrs then remove the film of the top and give to birds for 1 day

[ChrisMaidment08]

i  use  elderberry  make  enough  for mind you it stinks house out when  boiling  give once a week

[ChrisMaidment08]

should read enough for year

[doo]

hydrated lime from builders yard handfull in a bucket leave to settle for 24hrs then remove the film of the top and give to birds for 1 day

 

this what I use works a treat  

 

if it's good enough for Pearson & Dransfield it'll do for me.

[Guest]

20mls cider vinegar in 4 litre drinker every second day

[DOVEScot]

Are these methods mentioned to treat YB sickness or a preventitive measure only,

we use garlick both in the drinkers and the baths regularily and cider viniger and honey in the drinkers regularily

[doo]

Lime is both to prevent & treat

[Novice]

Strangely both lime and cider vinegar are opposites.

Cider vinegar will make the water acidic while lime will make it alkaline.

I suppose either could kill bacteria in the gut.

[DOVEScot]

Strangely both lime and cider vinegar are opposites.

Cider vinegar will make the water acidic while lime will make it alkaline.

I suppose either could kill bacteria in the gut.

 

What about all the good bacteria in the gut  :-/

[DOVEScot]

Lime is both to prevent & treat

 

Cheers, I was told to put lime in with the minerals rather than the drinkers :-/

[doo]

 

Cheers, I was told to put lime in with the minerals rather than the drinkers :-/

 

 

I think that putting lime in with the minerals might be a bit dodgy , if lime gets into a birds eye it will blind it.

 

I had a conversation with you & your wife at Blackpool on Lime, do you remember it.

 

cheers Stevie Barbour

 

[Lennut Tar]

 

 

I think that putting lime in with the minerals might be a bit dodgy , if lime gets into a birds eye it will blind it.

 

I had a conversation with you & your wife at Blackpool on Lime, do you remember it.

 

cheers Stevie Barbour

 

Builders lime also would be a bit dodgy in my view, in with the minerals etc. but dolomite lime would be ok, as it's basically calcium carbonate & I've used it for years now.

Enjoy.

 

 

[hepste]

I could be wrong, but I think some of you chaps could be barking up the wrong tree!  MY information is that paratyphoid bacteria and e coli like alkaline (lime) conditions which actually favour multiplication, and is something you should avoid at all costs, even to the extent of not using it as a floor dressing.  It IS alkaline conditions that bacteria don't like, though you have to be careful not to do too much damage to all the good guys.

[hepste]

By the way, has anyone really properly defined young bird sickness.  It's like an 80 year old going to the GP, with a sore ANYTHING, and the GP classifying it as old person's sickness.  A lot of treatments for YBS, are merely boosts to the immune system, which fights off any disease.  My own view is that it is a form of paratyphoid that has not been properly diagnosed to date, and therefore proper treatment is unavailable.  All we can do is ensure that at times of stress, the immune system of the pigeon is properly served by the fancier.

[ChrisMaidment08]

I could be wrong, but I think some of you chaps could be barking up the wrong tree!  MY information is that paratyphoid bacteria and e coli like alkaline (lime) conditions which actually favour multiplication, and is something you should avoid at all costs, even to the extent of not using it as a floor dressing.  It IS alkaline conditions that bacteria don't like, though you have to be careful not to do too much damage to all the good guys.

thevoice of  common sence

 

[Guest IB]

Cider vinegar will make the water acidic while lime will make it alkaline. I suppose either could kill bacteria in the gut.

 

Actually no. Alkalinity increases the chances of bad bug build-up, cos that's the environment they thrive in. Give vinegar and you create a slightly acidic environment, and that at least controls their spread.

 

Lime is really a floor dressing. It works by drying out any micro-organisms. Without body fluid, or moisture, they die.

[doo]

Well I will continue to use it as I did in the past for yb's everyday in the water, I used it when I last had birds & won club averages,races from it's to last also taking plenty of positions in the fed.

 

They continued to fly well as yearlings & beyond.

 

 

 

Stevie Barbour

[DOVEScot]

What about when they pick at the mortar, I thought they were after the lime from it :-/

[hepste]

I'm not saying that a certain amount of lime is not beneficial, the truth is I don't know.  What I am saying is that it should not be used as a treatment for YBS, which is what this thread is about.

[Novice]

 

Actually no. Alkalinity increases the chances of bad bug build-up, cos that's the environment they thrive in. Give vinegar and you create a slightly acidic environment, and that at least controls their spread.

 

Lime is really a floor dressing. It works by drying out any micro-organisms. Without body fluid, or moisture, they die.

 

Actually what I said was correct. The extent to which lime will increase the pH at the concentration these guys are talking about will kill most bacteria. I am surprised it hasn't killed some pigeons by now. Bacteria don't like change of any kind to their living conditions but can adapt to any conditions if these are constant. They even find increases in salinity difficult to cope with.

 

The affinity for water of lime used as a floor dressing will depend on which type is used CaCO3,CaO or Ca(OH)2.

Having worked with Lime in industry for years I would never use it in the loft. I would be likely to suffer a burn neven mind the pigeons.    

 

 

[doo]

I'm not saying that a certain amount of lime is not beneficial, the truth is I don't know.  What I am saying is that it should not be used as a treatment for YBS, which is what this thread is about.

 

 

I was at my wits end 8yrs ago  when I first encountered YBS & was culling left right & centre ....when I happened to mention this to a local fancier he said not to kill but to give Garden Lime in the water, but with strict instructions on how to administer this in the water, I was sceptical but despartate I had tried everything else so I gave it a shot .....I'm still using it years later so you can gather that it worked.

 

 

Stevie Barbour

 

[blueskey]

well with me being new to doo's i have to ask this ! hat is YBS ?o i know it makes the birds sick but for how long ? and can they deal with it there selfs ? is it something they get that eventualy kills them ?

[doo]

a few here are shooting down the attributes of Garden lime with out asking how we go about giving it to our birds ...this is most important.

 

I think I will be right in saying that years ago lime was used by plenty of fanciers on the loft floor ....I think some of this would find it's way into the drinker.

 

 

Just because it don't cost mega bucks does not mean it don't work

 

stevie barbour