pidge 1 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Whats members opinions on fret marks in the wing (first two flights) on young birds in nest
OLDYELLOW Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 my opinion is they were short of food during that period and has coursed the fret marks on the wing
Guest cloudview Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 nothing much to worry about , are they a nest pair only remember reading somrthing years about frets and , itbasically said if when buying squekers , the fancier tells you it was single reared and its got frets , walk away as he,s telling porkies , where,as double reared will show frets
pidge 1 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Posted January 21, 2009 pigeons fed 3 times a day never short of corn, fresh minerals, grit every day plus greens twice a week
Guest IB Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Only time I've had frets in the nest was the only year I went for early breeding; very cold - hoar frost - when youngsters hatched in February, lots of frets. Birds didn't last the season.
weecunny Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 the cold na wid say the parents didni feed them for some reason
pigeonscout Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 nothing much to worry about , are they a nest pair only remember reading somrthing years about frets and , itbasically said if when buying squekers , the fancier tells you it was single reared and its got frets , walk away as he,s telling porkies , where,as double reared will show frets The reason for the fret marks on nest mates and not on a single is this. When the young birds are just starting to grow the feathers they are at a stage were they are to big for the parents to cover both of them and keep them nice and warm. This results in the first fights having a fret mark. As they get older they get their own body feathers to keep warm and no more fret marks. It is not often you get fret marks in summer reared young birds and you never see it in single reared winter young birds as the parents can cover one in the nest better. I have proved this by putting heat in one section and not one young bird from that section had fret marks.
Guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 fret marks are nothing to do with cold its simple they missed a feed because the fancier forgot to fed the birds or kept them short or the cock was to busy chasing the hen back down to nest (especially yearlings)
stevebelbin Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 I would say its nothing to "fret" over
Guest Freebird Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 fret marks are nothing to do with cold its simple they missed a feed because the fancier forgot to fed the birds or kept them short or the cock was to busy chasing the hen back down to nest (especially yearlings) Wise words. Totally agree.
greenhills Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 what are fret marks,prob a silly Question but im new 2 pigeon racing
Guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 its horizontal mark across the feather it could also be caused by other deficences but normally missed feeding
greenhills Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 thanks frank,il be havin a look 2moro im feeding my stock, 2 time a day is that all
Guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 fret marks are nothing to worry about infact some distance men consider them the sign of effort to keep on flying instead of going down for a feed( medals) as long as there not severe to the point where the flight is in danger of breaking
pigeonscout Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 fret marks are nothing to do with cold its simple they missed a feed because the fancier forgot to fed the birds or kept them short or the cock was to busy chasing the hen back down to nest (especially yearlings) So are you saying the only time they miss a feed is when growing the first two flight? The fret marks are on the first two flights long before the cock is driving then hen back to nest. Do summer bred young birds not miss a feed? Why do single reared not have fret marks do they not miss a feed.
Guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 The reason for the fret marks on nest mates and not on a single is this. When the young birds are just starting to grow the feathers they are at a stage were they are to big for the parents to cover both of them and keep them nice and warm. This results in the first fights having a fret mark. As they get older they get their own body feathers to keep warm and no more fret marks. It is not often you get fret marks in summer reared young birds and you never see it in single reared winter young birds as the parents can cover one in the nest better. I have proved this by putting heat in one section and not one young bird from that section had fret marks. ;)interesting post this one ,makes sense to me , thanks pigeonscout . andy.
peterpau Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 I would say its nothing to "fret" over I'd agree with that but Tiz nice to see you on mate. (How many rings do you want for you're self.)
rooster Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 i agree 100% with pigeonscout , you will notice this with early bred y/ birds even putting a cold ring on the leg will cause this , it has nothing to do with feed , old birds will get fret marks with nights out and no feed ,
Guest shadow Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 fret marks are caused by stress of some description could be cold or any manner of things
Guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Fret marks are an indication that something has upset the squab and caused it stress (as shadow said), ok if not too many but if there are a lot that is a sure sign of an underlying problem
pigeonscout Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Fret marks are an indication that something has upset the squab and caused it stress (as shadow said), ok if not too many but if there are a lot that is a sure sign of an underlying problem Yes you are right it is stress of one kind or the other and cold as I have pointed out can cause this stress.
pidge 1 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Posted January 22, 2009 Looking at it i think perhaps it was the cold snap we had, as i stated food not a problem pigeons in A1 condition, youngsters droppings A1 and all appear to be well.Thanks for replys, very interesting topic
Guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Looking at it i think perhaps it was the cold snap we had, as i stated food not a problem pigeons in A1 condition, youngsters droppings A1 and all appear to be well.Thanks for replys, very interesting topic Are they stock or racers? I remember once i let all my racers out on a cold day and they got spooked and were hard to get in leaving the YBs for a long while, nearly all the YBs had frets AND MOST WERE SINGLE REARED!
walterbmasson Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 i did not like birds that was fretted in fact i used to cull them . but last year andy higgins in our club had a bad fretted youngster in fact i told him to put it down but this youngster flew every race and it was a hard years racing but to top it off it won the last race 233mls food for thought
Guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Yes you are right it is stress of one kind or the other and cold as I have pointed out can cause this stress. yes the stress of not bieng fed
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