cider viniger

[Guest marksimpson]

whats your views on giving cider viniger while feeding young hachling/squabs yours in sport mark ?

[Guest pigeonguy147]

my  birds  get  a  small  amount  of  apple  cider  vinegar  every  day  does  them  no  harm

[Guest IB]

I'm a fan of natural things like vinegar and garlic, but your question relates to giving them when the parents are raising youngsters.

 

The youngster is born with a completely sterile gut and very little of its immune system is complete. The parents both seed the youngster's gut with friendly bacteria, and pass on immunity agents through the crop milk. For this reason, I give absolutely nothing when this process is going on.  

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Cider Vinegar is excellent for the birds at the right time but lets make it quite clear here under no circumstances would they get it whilst rearing , so it would be very advisable so stop this practice at once.

[Guest]

Cider Vinegar is excellent for the birds at the right time but lets make it quite clear here under no circumstances would they get it whilst rearing , so it would be very advisable so stop this practice at once.

:X why ,explain please ??               andy.

 

 

[THE FIFER]

you can over do it with cider vinigar, and you must watch what other medicines vaccinations etc they are getting at the time, garlic is the same, I got "VETS TIPS FOR FANCIERS" book at the Pigeon Basics Stand at Blackpool, it gives all you need to know about those matters and lots more, the best book i have ever had, you can get them on site, well worth the money, go over to the site shop, or contact webmaster, you wont regret it,

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Veteran of the loft replied to you just before me and gives a good description of why, if you want to put something in the water you can use yogurt or yakult but the bird should be left alone as much as possible to let it build its own immunity system as much as possible but good luck if you do your own thing

[Guest Owen]

The idea behind giving the birds an acid, i.e. cider vinegar, is to create slightly acid conditions in the gut. This reduces the likelyhood of harmful bacteria building up. As the lads have said, there is no need to do this while the birds are rearing YBs.

If and when you do decide to use cider vinegar, use it sparingly. It is it's regular use that has the effect not occasional useage of large quantities.

[Guest kev d]

well said owen, the only thing that go in my water when there breeding is glucose

once or twice a week

[thunderboult]

The idea behind giving the birds an acid, i.e. cider vinegar, is to create slightly acid conditions in the gut. This reduces the likelyhood of harmful bacteria building up. As the lads have said, there is no need to do this while the birds are rearing YBs.

If and when you do decide to use cider vinegar, use it sparingly. It is it's regular use that has the effect not occasional useage of large quantities.

 

would using cider vinegar kill worms?

[Guest monkeynuts71]

how do you use it and what dose? i went and bought some last week as i heard its good stuff. i too believe in natural things, whether they work or not thats open to debate.

[Guest kev d]

i dont think it would kill them off but reduce them to a low level

like it would if your using garlic ,

[gooner]

when i first started up i used it and had no problems that year the next year i didnt and was plagued with ybs so now use it all the time

[Guest]

you can over do it with cider vinigar, and you must watch what other medicines vaccinations etc they are getting at the time, garlic is the same, I got "VETS TIPS FOR FANCIERS" book at the Pigeon Basics Stand at Blackpool, it gives all you need to know about those matters and lots more, the best book i have ever had, you can get them on site, well worth the money, go over to the site shop, or contact webmaster, you wont regret it,

;)thanks Fifer , i am currently giving "organic cider vinegar"regularly on wednesdays . this being the first wednesday since my young hatched ,have used in the past thru breeding time and had good results etc . but that doesnt mean i am doing right. willing to learn from above if i can understand the reasoning behind it . thanks again                   andy.

 

 

[Guest IB]

 

would using cider vinegar kill worms?

 

Its known to reduce 'canker' levels, but one of the main one for worms is garlic. Can't say what the correct dose and duration would be tho. There are also other herbal wormers, but information lacking on dose ... there's a thread on them..

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1203857369/s-2/highlight-herbal/#num2

[Guest]

The idea behind giving the birds an acid, i.e. cider vinegar, is to create slightly acid conditions in the gut. This reduces the likelyhood of harmful bacteria building up. As the lads have said, there is no need to do this while the birds are rearing YBs.

If and when you do decide to use cider vinegar, use it sparingly. It is it's regular use that has the effect not occasional useage of large quantities.

  :-/ive used cider vineger and yoguart together for the first five days of rearing my babys, in the ten years ive had my birds on this i have never had any problems with them.always give them the best when babys, pays of in the long run .

 

 

[Guest strapper]

read this and be shocked at its uses...i have it on some foods....because im diabetic.

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/applecidervinegardiet/a/applecidervineg.htm

[Guest]

read this and shocked at its uses...i have it on some foods....because im diabetic.

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/applecidervinegardiet/a/applecidervineg.htm

  

 

 

[Guest Owen]

Many people think that garlic and cider vinegar will kill worms. Sorry they don't. What they do is make the gut unpleasant for the worms. They don't like the acidic conditions. The only way to deal with worms is to first check to see if there are any and then use a specific. Then check again in about ten days. You would be surprised how often the little sods survive. And make sure you have cleaned the loft floor, because that is where they come from. It is worth noting that pigeons with worms do not normally win races.

[greenlands]

An interesting article ,what in your opinion is the correct amount of cider vinegar per litre please.Lindsay.

[Guest IB]

An interesting article ,what in your opinion is the correct amount of cider vinegar per litre please.Lindsay.

 

5ml vinegar per litre of water

[Guest IB]

Many people think that garlic and cider vinegar will kill worms. Sorry they don't. What they do is make the gut unpleasant for the worms. They don't like the acidic conditions. The only way to deal with worms is to first check to see if there are any and then use a specific. Then check again in about ten days. You would be surprised how often the little sods survive. And make sure you have cleaned the loft floor, because that is where they come from. It is worth noting that pigeons with worms do not normally win races.

 

I do not know if Garlic actually kills worms, it could for example expel them, so still rids the bird of the problem? But there are references to its effective use, this is the extract from the Garlic 'sticky' thread:-

 

Anthelmintic properties (ie against worms)

 

Parasitic worms are also apparently susceptible to garlic. The World Health Organisation 'Monographs on Selected Medicinal Plants' reports garlic as having been used to treat roundworm (Ascaris strongyloides) and hookworm (Ancylostoma caninum and Necator americanus) infestations, listing allicin as the active anthelmintic constituent (4).

 

[Guest Owen]

The idea is to make the water slightly acidic. Not strong tasting and you know that too much vinegar will put even you off drinking. My opinion is that about a tea spoon per litre is quite enough. And I don't think giving them cider vinegar every day is a very good idea. Two or three times a week I would say is about right. I think Sundays is OK but never on the day that they return from racing. They usually need to rehydrate after racing so it is important that they are encouraged to drink.  

[Pigeondoll]

I give multivits when arrive back on saturday, then plain water on sunday's, Monday - Garlic, Tue/wed - Cider vinigar, thur/Fri Plain water. This is my watering system.

I do believe it helps with sour crop , Young bird sickness. Humans use these products and have shown to have good qualities I have had good results with this by topping NSFed x2 & several fed cards aswell with young birds.

[sher]

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