Disturibing News on Young Bird Death's

[Guest numpty01]

yes ib pinch salt the same as bring birds in from lieage market that may bring desease over here can be taken with pinch salt when you have fed pres xchairmen in youer home that members have told of infections be it paromixo or other then its not pinch salt or scaremongering every year we have problems this year is no diffrent the only thing i say is the injection needs to be done and done by clubs and then it could be eradicated  maney dont do there birds full stop

[Jeremy]

Send birds off to a lab for them to do a post mortem to be sure as many things can cause twisting heads, not just a Virus. Also Nobivac takes longer to work than colobovac. Colobovac 2 weeks nobivac 4 weeks. So most are now on nobivac and if they come in contact with pmv before this you could have a outbreak. Is there a varient many top vets around the world are saying pmv is varying in its acute form, food for thought..

[Guest]

Have only briefly scanned these posts but I would like to make two points (if already made apologies). Virus' are airborne and your birds do not need to leave your loft or come in contact with other birds to catch a virus.

I think there may be a trend not to fully vaccinate against PMV. There's a local fancier (and down here that means 15 miles away ;D) who vaccinates our birds, he comes to the loft with the vaccine. The last two years when I've said I want my stock birds done has said most don't do them. If this is the case then I'm not surprise PMV is still prevalent because most breed from theri stock and if the stock isn't immunised they are not passing on any antibodies to the young.

The other point taking up the example of diabetes, is that where as one medication may supprt diabetes, it will also possibly weaken other parts of your immune system, e.g. susceptiblity to the common cold. There is no reason why our birds are any different, PMV vaccine for example I think is good for lessening the risk of PMV however it may make some birds far more susceptible to other virus, infections

[Guest IB]

yes ib pinch salt the same as bring birds in from lieage market that may bring desease over here can be taken with pinch salt when you have fed pres xchairmen in youer home that members have told of infections be it paromixo or other then its not pinch salt or scaremongering every year we have problems this year is no diffrent the only thing i say is the injection needs to be done and done by clubs and then it could be eradicated  maney dont do there birds full stop

 

Point was well made in your earlier post, and mirrored my own. Treat / Jag for 'A' and find at the end of the day that it is 'B' or maybe even 'C'. But the claims the same - 'A is rife in the valleys'. Basically nobody has a clue what the birds are going down with. Time they got themselves clued up, and stopped spreading rumours - scaremongering.

[Guest numpty01]

i would think the boys up vallys have more idea on there birds than we do and if they say para then its para we are talking top welsh flyers not hobbyists

[jimmy_bulger]

there was reports that lots of ybs were ill and dying on the continent in mid january of this year and is still happening now.

has nobody heard of what was causing this new illness over there.

[Guest]

2 confirmed cases and what about the unconfirmed/unreported as believe me there will be more unreported to defra than reported have you kept birds long as your comment shows some naievety

 

It was a question to Gail J not a comment and no I'm not naive far from it, I for one and the several I've rung haven't heard anything about a so called "epidemic" which is why I asked, pardon me for asking.   :-/    :X

 

 

[Guest]

 

It was a question to Gail J not a comment and no I'm not naive far from it, I for one and the several I've rung haven't heard anything about a so called "epidemic" which is why I asked, pardon me for asking.   :-/    :X

 

 

If someone rang you JarGre out of the blue and asked you if you had problems with birds, would you tell them?

There are an awful lot of fanciers who wouldn't, or those that would rather keep their business to themselves. I am not saying this is right, but that's the nature of human beings. No one does, or ever will, know the full extent of these viruses, because no one knows for definite, just who has and who hasn't got, or had, infected birds in their lofts, it is all speculation.

Until a full and proper regime of vaccination and control is carried out to ensure all birds are treated, we are never going to be rid if these viruses.

Its like Polio before the 1950's, where many children contracted the illness, then the Government made it compulsory for all children to be vaccinated against it, and now we are rid of the problem. Same applies to all forms of viruses. JMO

[pjc]

I agree with you Bob, some members will not send if they have a problem others will still send the birds they think are healthy but may be carriers and spread these problems.

Very few will put there hands up, let other members in the club know they have a problem, close the loft down and get to the bottom of the problem.

How many members of your club have sent 50 bird one week and 10 the next when normally they would send the team week in week out, do they know they have a problem in the loft? Some just have to keep chaseing tickets and averages with no consideration for either there birds or others.

There will always be people who don't know a healthy pigeon from a sick pigeon also to contend with!

[Guest]

I agree with you Bob, some members will not send if they have a problem others will still send the birds they think are healthy but may be carriers and spread these problems.

Very few will put there hands up, let other members in the club know they have a problem, close the loft down and get to the bottom of the problem.

How many members of your club have sent 50 bird one week and 10 the next when normally they would send the team week in week out, do they know they have a problem in the loft? Some just have to keep chaseing tickets and averages with no consideration for either there birds or others.

There will always be people who don't know a healthy pigeon from a sick pigeon also to contend with!

 

Spot on 100% Phil.

There are members in my club, and every other club, who send a full team of youngsters one week and only 50% the next, but they make all the excuses under the sun by blaming clashing etc etc for their losses, rather than looking in their own back yard for the root cause of the problem. More often than not the answer lays with unwell or birds that are not medically fit for the job. The sooner clubs do away with 'dangling the carrot' of averages the better. In my opinion each race should be flown on it's own merit, like horse racing and dog racing, then people wouldn't be sending as many birds as possible just to win an 'average' trophy. I know many fanciers who have won 8 and 10 races per year, sending a lot less birds per race, and still not won the average trophy, so what does that prove. I would rather have birds from a consistent winner than from a man who wins the averages, but only has 20% of his birds left at the end of the season.

Pigeon racing is a vicious circle these days, breed more, lose more, breed even more the next year, lose even more, and so it goes on. This is probably due to fanciers sending pigeons not being fit for racing, or because of undetected illnesses. I also agree that too many so called fanciers have no consideration for others, because they think that as it has cost them X,Y or Z to purchase over priced birds, feed, train and send big teams to races, they have to justify getting their money back at all cost.

[Guest]

well if what you are saying is true then you need to change vet birds do not die ofnothing so i think you need to ask youerself ??was i being told truth lets keep it real shall we defra found nothing vet the same the what youer saying cant be truthful can it anything dyeing would show infection or bodly failure ie heart blood or poision

 

After your comment you made,i contacted the vet i use i told him what had happend in 98,he told me DEFRA would have only tested for PMV.And had the vet i used at the time conducted a full post mortam :-/.

 

 

[swilcox]

As an auctioneer and seller of pigeons you recieve lots of phone calls sometimes 30 a day. When i placed the Keith Nethercott advert i had at least 35 phone calls asking me if there was any 2009 ybs, when i replied no they said bugger, ive lost most of my ybs throgh illness, hence the post. Alot of them mentioned that they had even had ybs die that they had purchased from "various" studs hence the original question.

 

Sounds like this problem of Killer Viruses is getting worse, do you think that a database setup and ran by the RPRA would help???

[pjc]

As an auctioneer and seller of pigeons you recieve lots of phone calls sometimes 30 a day. When i placed the Keith Nethercott advert i had at least 35 phone calls asking me if there was any 2009 ybs, when i replied no they said bugger, ive lost most of my ybs throgh illness, hence the post. Alot of them mentioned that they had even had ybs die that they had purchased from "various" studs hence the original question.

 

Sounds like this problem of Killer Viruses is getting worse, do you think that a database setup and ran by the RPRA would help???

 

It wouldn't make any difference because fanciers will still not report a problem and if the problem is as previlent as it appears DEFRA would stop racing.

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

After your comment you made,i contacted the vet i use i told him what had happend in 98,he told me DEFRA would have only tested for PMV.And had the vet i used at the time conducted a full post mortam :-/.

 

[/quote and why did youer vet not conduct full postmorton i thought you statedd vet could find nothing wrong but i must admit there are few and far between vets that are good with birds mine is and the fanciers that use her appriciate one well known vet charges lots money but never finds anything but minor illments  next time ring me i will get my vet to check for you ;D ;D ;D

 

[Guest numpty01]

 

It was a question to Gail J not a comment and no I'm not naive far from it, I for one and the several I've rung haven't heard anything about a so called "epidemic" which is why I asked, pardon me for asking.   :-/    :X

 

haveing just spoken to two flyers in aberdare who agree there is lot sickness around and i shall ask another calling at 11 to pick up birds i shall let you know fanciers as stated will not notify vet or defra of paro they will cull and ride it out and as stated how many fly 50 one week then suddenly fly 10 and start asking if anyone got some spare stuff last year fancier cull his entire team another culled and gave up another culled 48 now ask them why ??the one will tell you as he no longer flys others wont you also hear more more fanciers saying its birds comeing in from belge who knows i wont touch them   ohh and have i had problems yes once and treated and then it reacurred so i culled and disposed of loft and everything else due to advice carriers will again infect youngsters and it will start alover again

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

As an auctioneer and seller of pigeons you recieve lots of phone calls sometimes 30 a day. When i placed the Keith Nethercott advert i had at least 35 phone calls asking me if there was any 2009 ybs, when i replied no they said bugger, ive lost most of my ybs throgh illness, hence the post. Alot of them mentioned that they had even had ybs die that they had purchased from "various" studs hence the original question.

 

Sounds like this problem of Killer Viruses is getting worse, do you think that a database setup and ran by the RPRA would help???

yes and as two fanciers from here wanted youngsters i have no dout they phoned you they also attended sale but birds were good money and do the rpra not already have data base on this subject

 

[Guest numpty01]

some fancier seems stuck with the word eperdimic now i see nowere in this thread that term being used rife means plenty of case.s eperdemic means out of control and that part is in our hands if we all treated as we should by injecting them ;D ;D

[Guest]

After your comment you made,i contacted the vet i use i told him what had happend in 98,he told me DEFRA would have only tested for PMV.And had the vet i used at the time conducted a full post mortam :-/.

 

[/quote and why did youer vet not conduct full postmorton i thought you statedd vet could find nothing wrong but i must admit there are few and far between vets that are good with birds mine is and the fanciers that use her appriciate one well known vet charges lots money but never finds anything but minor illments  next time ring me i will get my vet to check for you ;D ;D ;D

   Thanks for the offer,In the last few years ive used a vet in holland,very good.Who's your vet LIZZIE. ;D

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

;D ;D ;Dthe best vet for birds in wales j morris who also is on call to defra

[pjc]

some fancier seems stuck with the word eperdimic now i see nowere in this thread that term being used rife means plenty of case.s eperdemic means out of control and that part is in our hands if we all treated as we should by injecting them ;D ;D

 

 

I think it is out of control, why?, well as we've said how many report it?, how many say they vaccinate, produce forms etc but don't actualy jab them? and how many lofts are there around that don't race, keep fancy birds as pets, dovecotes etc that have never even heard of vaccination?

 

[Guest numpty01]

yes pjc but we have both had birds a long time we are aware of the fickle side fanciers but novice only reads books now in few years will have changed there minds when they start to notice things in our world and sometimes it gets annoying as you know when you do things proply and bigger names dont

[Guest]

 

If someone rang you JarGre out of the blue and asked you if you had problems with birds, would you tell them?

 

Depends on who it was Bob, but more than likely it would be a short 'mind your business' unless it was a 'genuine' government official who could prove who they were (not likely on the phone) and that's what most would say as you rightly posted.  Someone called me naive in an earlier post!  The naive one is the poster who openly states that most fancy would stay silent if they had a problem and not involve Defra, and even though the statement is absolutely true its nothing to boast about,  that's like a red rag to a bull.  Defra could quite easily use that kind of mentality statement to justify random spot checks on any fancier using the argument that as most fancyopenly declare they would not report a problem and are thus not to be trusted to declare a problem Defra have no choice other than to do spot checks.  My view is similar to yours, I probably wouldn't shout from the roofs if I had a problem but neither would I boast about the fact I kept things to myself when technically I am legally obliged to report things such as paratyphoid. (THAT'S NAIVETY!)   :-/

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

i will point out the fact if defra were notyfied of every case of virus not one person in this country would fly pigeons as they would close us down. anyone who  thinks otherwise needs to wake up to real world????now as noteifieable desease yes in the eyes of the law this must be done but and the but is youer lofts are shut down and if confirmed tell us what the conclusion would be for the fancier ??and if say 100 lofts had it and all notified what would happen to rest of country take any stud if they had it confirmed what would happen to them ???

[Guest peter.j]

if youve nothing to worry about why would a spot check bother you ,blowing my candle out wont make yours burn any brighter ,i made an open and honest statement i myself would report it but the money some make from this game overides common sense and any moral obligations go out the window when captain cash rears its ugly head

[Guest]

if youve nothing to worry about why would a spot check bother you ,blowing my candle out wont make yours burn any brighter ,i made an open and honest statement i myself would report it but the money some make from this game overides common sense and any moral obligations go out the window when captain cash rears its ugly head

 

I for one wouldn't be bothered by a spot check by anyone especially defra, it would give me a chance to give them a ear bashing about how much they do for the BOP and how little they do for the fancy.      If the blowing a candle out was aimed at me you lost it on me as that wasn't my intention mate, my point was to tell you that far from being naive I don't make sweeping statements about how the fancy would hide things from the authorities like some do, that's being naive.   :-/