distance breeding

[blaz]

as i am going to be new to distance racing. i have heard one or two theories on breeding some say distance bird to distance bird.have also heard distance bird to good middle distance bird to add a bit more speed at the distance. any positive in put apreshated

[Guest frank dooman]

as i am going to be new to distance racing. i have heard one or two theories on breeding some say distance bird to distance bird.have also heard distance bird to good middle distance bird to add a bit more speed at the distance. any positive in put apreshated

 

both correct but the main word is GOOD you cant go past proven long distance proven birds

[fred smyth]

theres to kinds , one that fly  10 to 14 hours in a day  from 500 miles ,, then theres ones that do it in 9 hours   you want to get the  ten  plus hours flying in  one day ones . there like hens teeth  , if you can get 2 of them breed them together,

what i meen by that is hard day ones not blow homes,,

 

look at the one just put up for sale tonight by vallance , whis i had 100 quid,,

[Guest frank dooman]

theres to kinds , one that fly  10 to 14 hours in a day  from 500 miles ,, then theres ones that do it in 9 hours   you want to get the  ten  plus hours flying in  one day ones . there like hens teeth  , if you can get 2 of them breed them together,

 

with all due respect that used to be the case up here in scotland and some great fanciers can still do it now and again but on the whole its now mainly 16hrs or more we have been getting latley vel around 1000yds we can get 12/14 hrs  from the coast never mind over the pond it takes along time to get thease birds around you and even then with all they face on route its even harder to keep them

[fred smyth]

 

with all due respect that used to be the case up here in scotland and some great fanciers can still do it now and again but on the whole its now mainly 16hrs or more we have been getting latley vel around 1000yds we can get 12/14 hrs  from the coast never mind over the pond it takes along time to get thease birds around you and even then with all they face on route its even harder to keep them

 

16 in hours  one day   wish i had just 1 of them  ,or even 2, oh a dream come true, :)

ps if u have any spare ill take em :)

[Guest frank dooman]

no ive not risen to they great hights yet i have had a few on 15hrs but its normanly a 2 day race from over the pond  now thats hens teeth!!!!!

[aye ready]

no ive not risen to they great hights yet i have had a few on 15hrs but its normanly a 2 day race from over the pond  now thats hens teeth!!!!!

 

only ever had 1 frank 16hrs 45mins out of brussells with the scc timed her at 10.40 pm to be 28th open a few years back she was a delbar hen i lost her of the top of the loft the following year when she was out exercising

[Guest frank dooman]

i might  have had it i timmed at 04-21 from riems liberated at 6am it was still dark ta 4-15 when i got up so if he wasnt home on the night he was not far away i went to bed at 11-10 after dark so who knows??????

[jimmy_bulger]

"BLOODLINES" thats what you should be looking at and reading up on,if they not bred for it they aint gonna do it.

they dont all breed good birds, but if you stack the birds breeding with the right bloodlines ie: birds that are children or g,children off national winners at the distance or a family renowned for the distance (price wise what you are able to afford) you wont go far wrong if you have a bit of patiance.

this is just my oppinon and experiance but to each their own.

[Guest frank dooman]

yes i aggree jimmy tried and tested will allways come out the extent of your sucsess after that will depend on a no. of things your stockman ship ammount of work/time you put  in a bit of luck doesnt do any harm either but good proven distance  blood will put you on the bottom rung the rest is up to yourself but as blaz says what to cross in to maybe make them a bit faster or harder that is the 10,000$ question if  you can get that right then the skys the limmit

[THE FIFER]

very good and interesting thread.

[john@formula 1 lofts]

I had a yearling cock this year do 15 hour 20 min from Bergerac, and he looked like he had just flew from around the corner will defo be taking a pair of Y/b's from him next year.

 

[jimmy_bulger]

good long distance birds dont need making any harder (they made of iron) they may need making a bit more flexible ie:injection of pace for certain geographical loctions, but overall its not rocket science if birds of a certain way of breeding are ripping into your area at 5,6,700 miles then thats what you should be studying breeding wise (genes) experiment and learn and enjoy this is the best part of pigeons.

[Guest frank dooman]

i have to slightly dissagree its is quite clear up hear that winning birds to the borders/east/ and /west /north of scotland are very different iam not knocking any of the winners of the above but birds racing into the west of scotland need to be a bit  harder than the others thats my oppinion that is proved by the no. of times good distance men use the statement to new starts saying find a fancier who is doing the business in your own area and thats where to start but yes there are some hard day birds and some blow home but they are still the best birds on the day in my mind the best bird may not be the 1st open

[jimmy_bulger]

very true frank,if just starting out on distance racing 1st get the tools for the job,2nd aim for getting a team of distance birds around you that are flying for you consistantly into your area they dont have to set the world alight,3rd be patiant observe and learn and when they get a day that suits them ie:a good leveler then they will show their worth.

location has a lot to do with the optimum performance obviousley but as you rightly say some times the best birds dont get the top accolades because of location but i could live with that as long as i know i got the best bird on the day.

[Guest frank dooman]

i think we are both saying the same thing jimmy with distance racing (slowly slowly catch the monkey!!) ;)

[jimmy_bulger]

yes frank and the birds will teach us if we looking mate

[Thimbles]

Just because you buy the best of distnce birds you will also lose them there pigeons afterall

[blaz]

When would you pair up your distance birds

[Thimbles]

depends what method ur using u wouldnt pair up widdowhood at allnot tht there any good or distance racing NYWAY

[blaz]

natural birds thats all i do .dont like the widowhood system waste of hens.

[jimmy white]

very good debate, for my pennith worth,, its def , distance birds to distance birds , but proven ones,, there are many so-called distance strains , some are usless,, but the" special"  ones are hard to come by,[i think thats what makes the distance races so special], winners or prizewinners at 5-6-700 miles paired to-gether, if at all poss,, or nearest off spring,, these never any gaurentee, any will bred winners, but needs patience, and time to tell, ,,

 

if on natural, would pair in late march even april,,for races in late june