Paratyphoid Injection

[Guest IB]

 

with respect ib ..i dont think there is any use trying to ignore the amount of fanciers talking about this illness, and pms i get over this..this is evident on this and pigeon chat..look at some fanciers statements about it becoming more and more popular. this is the evidence it is becoming a bigger problem...along with more pmv infections.

the main problem is does each person who has it ,admit they having it?... which is very unlikely .

raising awareness can only be beneficial to fanciers .

 

but agree with the statement about some looking for illneses to blame on their performances rather than their own management.

 

I can't see the logic in thinking that fanciers are somehow willing to tell others that they have a PMV outbreak, yet become secretive about having a paratyphoid outbreak. It also defies logic that they do not call in professional help to deal with 'it', perhaps disposing of birds suffering from a completely different disease - how do they know for sure its paratyphoid?

 

I am all for raising awareness and alerting fanciers to the current state in Britain. I have an email away to Tom Pennycote Manager of Scottish Agricultural College which is the main livestock disease reference laboratory up here. I'll post up anything I get from him.

[Guest strapper]

 

I can't see the logic in thinking that fanciers are somehow willing to tell others that they have a PMV outbreak, yet become secretive about having a paratyphoid outbreak. It also defies logic that they do not call in professional help to deal with 'it', perhaps disposing of birds suffering from a completely different disease - how do they know for sure its paratyphoid?

 

I am all for raising awareness and alerting fanciers to the current state in Britain. I have an email away to Tom Pennycote Manager of Scottish Agricultural College which is the main livestock disease reference laboratory up here. I'll post up anything I get from him.

 

i think that most want to get the easy/cheap way out (which is natural)and i always say get them tested with any advice i give in pm.

there are too many looking for a short cut (which is also natural),but when a disease comes calling its best to go with whats required ,professional help 1st.

treatments then can be ministered from which place you choose to get them from...either the vet or a private company.

ill look forward to see what tom says.

 

 

[Guest Freebird]

 

 

the link is an interesting read , seems to me that if you treat/vaccinate  it itself is a waste of time for the following reasons 1 the live vaccine is the best treatment , and if you treat them more birds may be infected with the disease , 2 if a live vaccine is used then the live infection is shed via the droppings making more birds exposed to paratyphoid , so using this vaccine when birds not ailing could set any loft further back by further exposing more birds to paratyphoid , so in my mind there’s the answer people treating for this are doing more to make this disease stronger and there birds immune systems weaker by treating healthy birds , I have never had to treat for paratyphoid and hope never have to , regular screening of your birds and removing weak birds will limit the risks of most diseases in any loft , nature does this by natural selection and only the strongest and the fittest survive in the wild , in a pigeon loft any sign of weakness then these birds should be removed and not continuously propped up with medication , birds that ail always fail  

I think this is spot on. If you are all (vaccinating) how come it is getting worse??? Nature has a way and we should all follow suit. I think way back when this started money and the price of a bird dictated how we treated a bird. i.e. cost a lot so I'm gonna save it no matter what. Get back to basics. Good constitution along with good husbandry i.e. the weak culled and newly introduced birds screened (isolated) until verified clean. Not easy I know but I think the way forward for pigeons in general. Your birds are coming into contact with god knows what in the race basket so give them the best possible chance with NATURAL immunity not manmade chemical substitute. For all those who think flu jabs etc in humans = same for pigeons etc. forget it, we don't sh*t and walk all over it. On the subject of loft cleanliness. I for one keep a clean loft (visually). But 5 mins. after I've cleaned birds have sh*t and walking all over it so all you guys who advocate it is a must are wrong. A clean loft is only for our benefit and not the birds. You could take the cleanest loft in the world and find all sorts of nasties as pigeons do not know to sh*t in a certain place. What I am trying to say is do not believe all you read as there is usually a secondary purpose for the information i.e. DOSH making. Look at your birds and you will see they have been around a long, long time without the help of chemicals and DOSH. I have fairly recently got back into pigeons and went down this chemical road innocently thinking for the welfare of my birds but hey, you will never beat Mother Nature (good or bad) full stop. Let her be the manager of health in your loft. I'm not saying do not treat, I'm saying treat with care and attention to detail for something that does exist in your bird. Anti-biotics and vaccines are a good tool when used properly and not indiscriminately for gain in competition. This of course is only my view at the moment and just to get one thinking as I believe no one has the answers to these questions.

 

 

[jimmy white]

i understand what your saying, but in my post ,, loft hygene meant free as poss from mice and rats, these are the worst enemy for paratyphoid/salmonella

[Guest Freebird]

i understand what your saying, but in my post ,, loft hygene meant free as poss from mice and rats, these are the worst enemy for paratyphoid/salmonella

Yes, sorry Jimmy but too much to say in so many words and it is yourself that I got my first advise from and I remember being stubourn headed regarding a wee bird that was riddled to say the least and your wise words came true in the end and thank you for that. Yep hygene regarding vermin very important but is just a case of keeping them out. I do it with electric fence one inch from the ground and another 10 inch off the ground for the fox etc. Cheers Jimmy, hope you are keeping well my friend.

 

 

[jimmy white]

keeping ok my friend ,, no, i think your post is excellent  , i was just trying to show the difference in the meaning of  loft hygeine,[i cant even spell it ;D], i agree entirely with you on loft cleaning etc,, but as you say loft hygeine is keeping the mice and rats at bay, as well,,  

[Guest Freebird]

Ther's always something on the horizon to spoil the fun (plan) but we have a brain and a computer and they don't. He He He!