pain

[Guest KING BILLY]

how can you tell if your bird is in pain in the moult i have never seen a bird coured up in pain when its moulting have yous or is this another old wifes tale ;)

[Guest]

how can you tell if your bird is in pain in the moult i have never seen a bird coured up in pain when its moulting have yous or is this another old wifes tale ;)

 

when it asks for pain killers ;D ;D ;D

[Guest KING BILLY]

 

when it asks for pain killers ;D ;D ;D

of topic ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[mark proctor]

 

when it asks for pain killers ;D ;D ;D

 

LMFAO ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest bigda]

they must  have some sort of  pain,  i know it they get away from a cat  they  can die on you  very easily with shock , once they  go in to that type of  thing  it is very hard to get them back  from it  to save them,   i have seen them fighting with there legs broke so  they must shut  down nerve ends,   but shock seem to be like  something else to  dogs and cats  a different thing to animals as to what we know as pain

[Guest KING BILLY]

they must  have some sort of  pain,  i know it they get away from a cat  they  can die on you  very easily with shock , once they  go in to that type of  thing  it is very hard to get them back  from it  to save them,   i have seen them fighting with there legs broke so  they must shut  down nerve ends,   but shock seem to be like  something else to  dogs and cats  a different thing to animals as to what we know as pain

to have them come back in all sorts of a mess they doo seem to have high tolerens to pain but this thing about it been like toth ack when moulting to me is a lod of toss ;)

[mark proctor]

to have them come back in all sorts of a mess they doo seem to have high tolerens to pain but this thing about it been like toth ack when moulting to me is a lod of toss ;)

 

WHEN PIGEONS HAVE HIT A WIRE AND BROKE A LEG THEY DONT MAKE A NOISE...THEY CARNT...NOT LIKE A DOG IT WILL SCREAM WITH PAIN,,,THEY FEEL EVERY THING AS WE OR ANIMALS DO....

[Guest KING BILLY]

 

WHEN PIGEONS HAVE HIT A WIRE AND BROKE A LEG THEY DONT MAKE A NOISE...THEY CARNT...NOT LIKE A DOG IT WILL SCREAM WITH PAIN,,,THEY FEEL EVERY THING AS WE OR ANIMALS DO....

ok then mark would you say there in pain in the moult and how doo we know ;)

 

 

[mark proctor]

ok then mark would you say there in pain in the moult and how doo we know ;)

 

 

I WOULD SAY YES...AS IVE BEEN STUDYING MY BIRDS THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND THE ONES THAT ARNT THREW IT YET WITH THERE MAIN END FLYTS ARE HUNCHING UP...BUT THE ONES THAT HAVE DROPPED ALL FLYTS LOOK HAPPY AND NOT HUNCHED...AND WE DONT NO M8 DO WE IF THERE IN PAIN NO NOISE...JUST LOOK AT THE BIRD ITS SELF...THEY DONT WONT TO FLY HARD WHEN THERE MOULTING THERE END 3 FLYTS...THAT TELLS ME A STORY...THATS WHY THE DARKIES KICK NATURALS BUTS....

[Guest KING BILLY]

 

I WOULD SAY YES...AS IVE BEEN STUDYING MY BIRDS THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND THE ONES THAT ARNT THREW IT YET WITH THERE MAIN END FLYTS ARE HUNCHING UP...BUT THE ONES THAT HAVE DROPPED ALL FLYTS LOOK HAPPY AND NOT HUNCHED...AND WE DONT NO M8 DO WE IF THERE IN PAIN NO NOISE...JUST LOOK AT THE BIRD ITS SELF...THEY DONT WONT TO FLY HARD WHEN THERE MOULTING THERE END 3 FLYTS...THAT TELLS ME A STORY...THATS WHY THE DARKIES KICK NATURALS BUTS....

 

i would put the hunching up into been uncomvertble with the moult not pain just my thots on this the wild birds dont sit hunched up wating for there last 3 fyts to come throw they go about there biznes no probs

[mark proctor]

 

i would put the hunching up into been uncomvertble with the moult not pain just my thots on this the wild birds dont sit hunched up wating for there last 3 fyts to come throw they go about there biznes no probs

 

JMO M8,,THATS ALL...WE CARNT ALL BE RIGHT ON ERE CAN WE.. :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

[dwh]

its a natural occurance compare it us shedding skin or like other animals when they shedding their coat

[Tony C]

Sometimes when a pigeons pushing through its last couple of flights they'll now and again give a wing a quick flick, I believe this a sign of discomfort.

[Guest Owen]

I have no idea if pigeons feel pain as we do, but I always associate the slow blink with pain. Birds that are growning their flights often sit quietly and look miserable. And I have often noticed the slow blink.

I don't know how we humans could possibly know what they feel.

[Guest strapper]

you only have to look at a pigeon suffering badly from a severe canker infection..the bird will stand puffed up and slightly opening its beak and blink an eye slowly..as if the pain is coming on and off.

will do the same also for similar infections.

[Guest stb-]

moulting pain load of  mince,  mines bounce about  when moulting so if they were in pain they wouldnt move much ;)

[Delboy]

moulting pain load of  mince,  mines bounce about  when moulting so if they were in pain they wouldnt move much ;)

 

Dont know, if youve got toothache ye canny sit still ;D ;D

[Guest redwhiteblue]

 

Dont know, if youve got toothache ye canny sit still ;D ;D

 

have you still got teeth  at your age

[Guest stb-]

;D

 

have you still got teeth  at your age

;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Guest]

 

have you still got teeth  at your age

 

you'll no soon ??) ;D

[Guest redwhiteblue]

 

you'll no soon ??) ;D

 

;D ;D ;D ;D   N H S   yours still in the jar  old man

[pigeonworld]

how can you tell if your bird is in pain in the moult i have never seen a bird coured up in pain when its moulting have yous or is this another old wifes tale ;)

 

the only pain about doos is you ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest IB]

Think there's two questions in there: does growing / throwing flights cause pain? and [2] how can you tell when a bird is in pain?

 

[1] As a teenager I was brought up to believe in the toothache theory. Sounded right, the pigeons primaries and secondaries are anchored in bone, just like our teeth, and each flight falls out because there's a new one growing in at the bud, just like our adult teeth grow in and push our 'milk' teeth out. There's pain for us there OK.

 

But we've usually only 2 sets of teeth in our lifetime, pigeons moult every year. They also have a 'prey escaping predator' trick in that if anything catches hold of them they can lose a whole tail and half a wing and not bat an eyelid. No pain in that it seems.

 

What finally swung it for me was having to pull a deformed flight after the main moult; did it, put the bird down ~ and he started to crow and birl on the floor. No pain in that either.

 

Agree bird is reluctant to fly when moulting out last 3 primaries. Reckon that is nothing to do with pain and just down to a lot harder getting airborne [no enough lift to get off the ground] and bother landing 'lightly' [no enough drag to slow bird down quick enough].

 

[2] how can you tell when a bird is in pain? It's well known in vet circles birds feel pain differently from us [mammals]. Was at vet a few years ago while one of my latebred hens was having fluid removed from a swollen shoulder joint using a hypodermic needle straight into the joint. No anaesthetic, she didn't bat an eyelid the whole time [i was holding her] and when it was done and she was back in the box, she was batting my hand using her gammy wing. Only this year I had to stitch up a breached crop with needle & thread. That hen didn't seem too fussed either.

 

But what I have noticed is there is a definite sign that the bird is in distress / pain.  Only seen it once or twice. One I can remember witnessing was a cock that got a toe caught in a floor grill, and it got bent backwards against the joints. 2 or 3 feathers immediately above the wattle stand out straight, above the beak. Rest of head feathers lye flat, body & wing feathers remain tight. Eye can be fully open, or half closed, but there wasn't any blinking.