fat seeds

[wilkins]

how long do members of the site feed fat seeds to there birds for prior to a race ,i have read many articles where fats are used for 2 days before basketing but for races of 300 plus is that long enough to get into the birds system?

[Guest strapper]

how long do members of the site feed fat seeds to there birds for prior to a race ,i have read many articles where fats are used for 2 days before basketing but for races of 300 plus is that long enough to get into the birds system?

 

not sure about fats but peas take 24hrs, beans 48hrs to digest..so i would think fats would take roughly same time ...if the body gets too much protein than the body can handle, excess will be stored as fat.

i feed a high protein mix.

[Old Pied]

Hi Wilkens, Strapper and All

 

That is a very important and good question Wilkens. If it takes 48 hours + for a pigeon to digest and store fat containing seeds in energy form, then it is of 'no' use to only feed fats at end of week just before basket, since the energy (fat) supplied by those seeds will only be available by the time the bird arrives home, or even later.

 

One of the Ace flyers in SA once told me that he feeds high fat containing seeds on Monday and Tuesday (basket Thursday, race Saturday) as that way he can be sure the fat containing seeds are in the birds 'system' by the time it is liberated.

 

Looking at the article that Gorden Charmers once wrote about feeding of racing pigeons, one should also keep the carbs high in feed when feeding fat containing seeds as the carbs assist the body to digest and store fat.

 

Just my 50cents worth.

 

Regards

Old Pied

[Guest strapper]

Hi Wilkens, Strapper and All

 

That is a very important and good question Wilkens. If it takes 48 hours + for a pigeon to digest and store fat containing seeds in energy form, then it is of 'no' use to only feed fats at end of week just before basket, since the energy (fat) supplied by those seeds will only be available by the time the bird arrives home, or even later.

 

One of the Ace flyers in SA once told me that he feeds high fat containing seeds on Monday and Tuesday (basket Thursday, race Saturday) as that way he can be sure the fat containing seeds are in the birds 'system' by the time it is liberated.

 

Looking at the article that Gorden Charmers once wrote about feeding of racing pigeons, one should also keep the carbs high in feed when feeding fat containing seeds as the carbs assist the body to digest and store fat.

 

Just my 50cents worth.

 

Regards

Old Pied

 

i think how ever much the info is worth its worth its weight in gold if its not known to the person asking a question

 

 

[fancypigeon_88]

whast would you say is the best mix 2 feed for carb an fat seed contents???

[lightning fast]

Gerry plus and enzimix engery mix is a good one :)

[Guest cloudview]

there,s plenty of high energy mixes on the market  at the moment for the high carbs .

myself i use widow mix , and supplement the fats as and when needed individually to the chosen few birds that are destined for that particular distance .

fats are given four days before basketing , hope this helps

[Old Pied]

I would agree that GerriPlus is good carb mix, and has many small seeds which i prefer as I think small seeds put less 'stress' on the birds to digest the seeds. As high fat i use EnergyPlus.

 

But surely there are many on the market. Important aspect as mentioned by 'cloudview' is to feed high fats only to birds you are intending to race that weekend, otherwise you could end up with birds that are to heavy due to not 'taking out what you put in'.

 

Regards

[wilkins]

thanks old pied so if birds are homing saturday lunchtime we should feed fats wednesday and thursday  and feed carbohydrates on the friday as this will be to late for the fats

on a  water race ,when we mark thursday we should feed right up to basketing with fats

should we feed a very low protein mix while fats are being fed ?

 

old pied do the amount of days you feed fats chnge with distance and wind and have you a guide for this to point me in the right direction

[Old Pied]

Hi Wilkins

 

first and most important, there is no 'rule fixed in stone' as to what is the best way to feed your birds, but guidelines do exist. What you put in, you must get out, otherwise you would end up with birds to heavy and not wanting to train/fly anymore. What you feed also depends on how hard you toss your birds (training around the loft in general does not take out of the birds as much as road training, as with road training there can be no 'flapping around', it is just full steam ahead), how cold it is (birds use more energy to keep warm) etc.

 

As distance increase, I would feed versele-laga Energy plus as from Monday till Wednesday, (Basket Thursday and race Saturday) but as a 'snack' lunch time (13h00) and not as a full meal. Be carefull of overfeeding, i think many fanciers are guilty of that. I like to feed 3 times per day, as i believe it gives the birds body more opportunity to digest what they need from the seeds.

 

Google the word 'Gordon Chalmers' and choose 'Dietary Considerations in Pigeon Racing'.

Would like to hear others view on this info given by G. Chalmers, how you understand it, and how you would apply this knowledge in practise.

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

[Daisymay]

Good info Old Pied keep it coming, the more info the better. ;)

[wilkins]

Hi Wilkins

 

first and most important, there is no 'rule fixed in stone' as to what is the best way to feed your birds, but guidelines do exist. What you put in, you must get out, otherwise you would end up with birds to heavy and not wanting to train/fly anymore. What you feed also depends on how hard you toss your birds (training around the loft in general does not take out of the birds as much as road training, as with road training there can be no 'flapping around', it is just full steam ahead), how cold it is (birds use more energy to keep warm) etc.

 

As distance increase, I would feed versele-laga Energy plus as from Monday till Wednesday, (Basket Thursday and race Saturday) but as a 'snack' lunch time (13h00) and not as a full meal. Be carefull of overfeeding, i think many fanciers are guilty of that. I like to feed 3 times per day, as i believe it gives the birds body more opportunity to digest what they need from the seeds.

 

Google the word 'Gordon Chalmers' and choose 'Dietary Considerations in Pigeon Racing'.

Would like to hear others view on this info given by G. Chalmers, how you understand it, and how you would apply this knowledge in practise.

 

Regards

 

thanks old pied, could i ask would you use gerry plus mixture while feeding fats as i wonder if feeding a heavy mix like all round would be to high in protein when the fats are added

 

 

 

[Tony C]

Make yaself a cuppa and have a read

 

http://pigeonracingpigeons.com/2010/01/09/grains-fuel-and-pigeon-racing-introduction/

http://pigeonracingpigeons.com/2010/01/09/grains-fuel-and-pigeon-racing-protein-carbs-fats/

http://pigeonracingpigeons.com/2010/01/13/grains-fuel-and-pigeon-racing-suggested-rations/

http://pigeonracingpigeons.com/2010/01/15/grains-fuel-and-pigeon-racing-daily-schedule/

[wilkins]

thanks tony c , will have a look soon as time allows

[dwh]

 

not sure about fats but peas take 24hrs, beans 48hrs to digest..so i would think fats would take roughly same time ...if the body gets too much protein than the body can handle, excess will be stored as fat.

i feed a high protein mix.

 

 

last year we fed a w/d mix + beans when went  to  the channel we actually won 1 AMAZING ;D ;D ;D

3rd arass and just missed out in every channel race we entered  

[dwh]

 

i think how ever much the info is worth its worth its weight in gold if its not known to the person asking a question

 

 

very profound strapper

[Graham Kelly]

Hi guys - are we not over complicating things a bit regarding feeding.

 

Its my understanding that carbs, fat or proteins all contain energy.

Whatever the body does not use will be converted and stored as fat.

This leads me to believe it is all just a matter of balancing exercise, trainning and feeding to get the bird into the condition you believe is best to send it to the upcoming race!!

 

Braspenning always claims he uses the same mix everyday and just alters the amount fed due to birds requirements.

 

Maybe Im miles off the mark!