COOPER LOGISTICS BUNCH OF IDIOTS

[ChrisMaidment08]

well thats you both out then

[Roland]

Any way, just how far is Stoke from you?

[retired]

Any way, just how far is Stoke from you?

 

Ouch lol !!!!!  

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

who me

[PigeonTracker]

 

That is why some are setting up holding lofts, personally I would prefer birds picked up one day then delived the next without the need for what can go wrong if the birds are mixed with others in a holding loft

 

In an ideal world everyone would love to have their birds picked up and delivered the same day but its not an ideal world and it will take some time for any courier including my company to get to the stage where we can deliver every bird within hours as some people want.  In the meantime we'll do our best to make sure cross contamination is kept to a minimum by never mixing the birds as you might be led to believe.  They are never given water from the same cup, and never mixed in lofts other than boxed.

 

For the information of those that might be curious, holding lofts (in our case) are isolation units where the birds get to stay overnight if needed, they aren't even taken out of the boxes at the same time duncan they get their heads dipped and given corn each one at a time.  

 

I'm not into disrespecting other couriers regardless of the merit, what I am into is getting it across to people that creating a false sense of panick amongst people is the wrong way to go.   If people are to be so concerned with cross contamination then quite honestly not one of us would put a bird in a race and that's pretty much a fact.  I along with a thousand others complained like hell when Amtrak got away with thier antics and now I see people constantly having a dig at couriers (some deserve it btw).  If people are that concerned and so distrustful of couriers then surely they should be jumping in their own cars and getting their own birds, that way they could blame no-one else but themselves.

 

Sorry guys but it had to be said, there are some of us out there that are working damn hard at getting it right for everyone, it will take some time and its only been 5 weeks or so and we're getting there.  Work with the courier and you'll get the service we all deserve even if it takes a little longer than we all want.

 

Jamie

 

[PigeonTracker]

 

Nobody is having a dig, Jamie....

 

Yes you are having digs Duncan, and some if not most of the digs are absolutely valid and justified.  The horror stories I've heard on my travels would make pretty bad reading for anyone but yet people on here are STILL prepared to use this type of courier.   Simple fact is people should already be aware that there are those you should stay a mile away from and those that have even at this early stage proved thier more than up to the task.

 

 

I'm the one that coined the phrase holding loifts as it was part of our logistics to get in place units where the birds can be safely housed for the night where they can be fed by a fancer/driver and kept without fear of getting lost or stolen.  If you want to see what one looks like go to your nearest industrial estate look at the small units there and you'll get the idea.

 

Let me tell you from experience Duncan, 99.0 of fanciers are flexible and you can take my word on that, in pigeon transport there's no such thing as a fixed schedule, there never should be and this bullying by a select few to get birds from A to B without thought or care for the health of the bird shows who the true fanciers are and who the ones who just think they are get shown for what they are.   Hundreds of top breeders read this forum and I speak to them often on the subject of delivery times and schedules, I speak to the small ten bird fancier as well on the delivery times and not one true fancier has EVER complained or even been concerned about time as long as the birds are looked after, and that's the reality of it.   Y

 

ou ask anyone who's over a certain age how many times they've had a little piece of card through the door saying 'Sorry there was no answer, your delivery has been returned to the depot or shoved in the bin at the back of the house or even with the neighbour next door you don't get on with.   The fact of the matter Duncan, whether you like it or not, people simply have to be flexible and thankfully most true fanciers are.

 

People condemn couriers (some should be) but in truth Duncan, you know as well as I that you had no chance of getting (say in your case 6 doves) down from your neck of the woods to Bradford and then back using just £30 of petrol, wear and tear of the car, your time, patience and so on.    

 

The point I was making, and most will have got it is that some of us couriers out there are proud of what we're doing and regardless of how well we do some people will still want more.  Christ, someone even complained on the colour of the boxes the other day!  Go figure huh, the boxes were free.   ??)

 

It seems clear to me from the good people on here (and most are) that some couriers should not be in the business, they aren't fanciers and as such should not touch pigeons with a bargepole, they've proven this time and again.  So the moral of my post was DON'T use them, but please, don't tar all with the same brush, there are some of us out there that actually know and care about what we're doing, and whilst still on a learning curve will eventually get there.

 

I'm off now, I'm not getting embroiled into heavy debate with people on the efficacies of pigeon carrying,  the end argument is that as long as the bird is healthy from point A to point B and delivered in a reasonable time then that's all that matters.   I can quote every top breeder in the country on that one as I can every decent fancier.

 

Get the kettle on, I'm up your way today.  

 

Jamie

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

jame as i have not used you i cannot comment on youer service but im going to point this out when you come on to thread of cooper it does you no faviors to answer posts and seemingly argue yoer point so far i have not taken to much notice of what is being picked up by whom am have gone coopers wont be long at this rate youerself are plodding along well so far but i think you should sit on side unless you are brought into question and then commment inter revlery on coueirs is fine you know as well as i do you are not going to please everyone its impossable  but you will come through as best of bunch as long as you continue the way you are          now my preaching is over thats 3 collection deleverys you owe me   ;) some one should put something on so a pol over time can show us the best?????service

[ChrisMaidment08]

Any way, just how far is Stoke from you?

 

will ask staff when i go back tonight  8) 8)

[DOVEScot]

carefull now Dovecotes, Am thinking of nipping around Scotland again this year again shortly, just to see how the natives really strive / sorry live, and if it's true like lol

Would call at yours for a wee dram, and too see who can spout the biggest lies and gain bragging rights lol.

 

You and anyone else are welcome anytime to see how us mere natives survive, I may win the bragging prize, I certainly won't win the Billy Liar trophy :) :)

[superstar]

Pigeon Tracker wrote it!

I couldn't have put it better myself.

I for instance had a Loan bird off Allbear. Costs and whatever meant I delivered it myself. I was standing in for a mate on a courier firm. Alan abided his time, and we got the deal done 260 miles or more EACH way.

I have some birds to collect from Alan. Could have gone to - day, but it fell through last minute. My avery is done, an 1/2 day and the stock loft will be done and complete. If not possible for my mate to let me do the day when we go Bristol soon... I will pick them up myself, most likely will soon any way. Why?. Because, I grantyou I really appreciated Alan's knowledge and understanding. Have a graet but oh so too short stay with him. Indeed if another offer I made comes of, I will be seeing him and his club members. But in mean time, within the week, I shall drive over 500 miles to pick up some birds (Hopefully). Yes I can make time. Yes it will be more expensive than a courier, But I shall be more than compensated by spending a little time with another fancier.

 

I'm not into disrespecting other couriers regardless of the merit, what I am into is getting it across to people that creating a false sense of panick amongst people is the wrong way to go.   If people are to be so concerned with cross contamination then quite honestly not one of us would put a bird in a race and that's pretty much a fact.  I along with a thousand others complained like hell when Amtrak got away with thier antics and now I see people constantly having a dig at couriers (some deserve it btw).  If people are that concerned and so distrustful of couriers then surely they should be jumping in their own cars and getting their own birds, that way they could blame no-one else but themselves.

 

Sorry guys but it had to be said, there are some of us out there that are working damn hard at getting it right for everyone, it will take some time and its only been 5 weeks or so and we're getting there.  Work with the courier and you'll get the service we all deserve even if it takes a little longer than we all want.

 

 

Christ I hope they dont all start thinking like that I could never afford all the tea coffee and egg sandwiches!

[ChrisMaidment08]

well you wont have to feed or water bweted

[superstar]

That was an error! Anyway he had to rush off, something about a long journey ahead of him and not wanting to stop for toilets or anything lol.

[jimmy white]

 

Yes you are having digs Duncan, and some if not most of the digs are absolutely valid and justified.  The horror stories I've heard on my travels would make pretty bad reading for anyone but yet people on here are STILL prepared to use this type of courier.   Simple fact is people should already be aware that there are those you should stay a mile away from and those that have even at this early stage proved thier more than up to the task.

 

 

I'm the one that coined the phrase holding loifts as it was part of our logistics to get in place units where the birds can be safely housed for the night where they can be fed by a fancer/driver and kept without fear of getting lost or stolen.  If you want to see what one looks like go to your nearest industrial estate look at the small units there and you'll get the idea.

 

Let me tell you from experience Duncan, 99.0 of fanciers are flexible and you can take my word on that, in pigeon transport there's no such thing as a fixed schedule, there never should be and this bullying by a select few to get birds from A to B without thought or care for the health of the bird shows who the true fanciers are and who the ones who just think they are get shown for what they are.   Hundreds of top breeders read this forum and I speak to them often on the subject of delivery times and schedules, I speak to the small ten bird fancier as well on the delivery times and not one true fancier has EVER complained or even been concerned about time as long as the birds are looked after, and that's the reality of it.   Y

 

ou ask anyone who's over a certain age how many times they've had a little piece of card through the door saying 'Sorry there was no answer, your delivery has been returned to the depot or shoved in the bin at the back of the house or even with the neighbour next door you don't get on with.   The fact of the matter Duncan, whether you like it or not, people simply have to be flexible and thankfully most true fanciers are.

 

People condemn couriers (some should be) but in truth Duncan, you know as well as I that you had no chance of getting (say in your case 6 doves) down from your neck of the woods to Bradford and then back using just £30 of petrol, wear and tear of the car, your time, patience and so on.    

 

The point I was making, and most will have got it is that some of us couriers out there are proud of what we're doing and regardless of how well we do some people will still want more.  Christ, someone even complained on the colour of the boxes the other day!  Go figure huh, the boxes were free.   ??)

 

It seems clear to me from the good people on here (and most are) that some couriers should not be in the business, they aren't fanciers and as such should not touch pigeons with a bargepole, they've proven this time and again.  So the moral of my post was DON'T use them, but please, don't tar all with the same brush, there are some of us out there that actually know and care about what we're doing, and whilst still on a learning curve will eventually get there.

 

I'm off now, I'm not getting embroiled into heavy debate with people on the efficacies of pigeon carrying,  the end argument is that as long as the bird is healthy from point A to point B and delivered in a reasonable time then that's all that matters.   I can quote every top breeder in the country on that one as I can every decent fancier.

 

Get the kettle on, I'm up your way today.  

 

Jamie

 

 

i see no reason for fanciers to play devils advocate, as duncan often does ,, yes lots of his points are very valid,, some not so valid , but we all have our own minds and all are different , thats just part of life,, but if this company pigeontracker is doing their utmost , to my mind can do no more.. maybe a little help and encouragement from the fanciers would help,, as really to be really honest and forthright ,,we need decent couriers, and if we dont get them  soon i,e from  feb on,,, when y. pigeons, i,e any type,, show ,,racer,, fancy,,  etc will be sold and bought,, strays returned etc   , will be going up and down the country like mad ,, we, the fanciers will be in  a real rut,,, bearing in mind [allthough doesnt effect me,, for the moment anyway] racing fanciers not being able to claim their strays within the stipulated time limit , will find  themselves suspended [probably being of no fault of the fancier ] but rules are rules ,, and this would certainly happen. pigeon tracker ,as far as im concerned is doing a great job , we, the fanciers should appreciate that ,, and show it , encourage it [cause welle get it cheaper when in full flow ;D] most of the fanciers have been for pigeontracker and very few against , this cannot be bad , as all can have their say,,,amtrack and interlink are gone , no ifs or buts , so lets face it were in a desperate situation,,, pigeontracker has proved the best so far, so long this may continue

[ChrisMaidment08]

god its only skip up road from youer place

[DOVEScot]

 

Yes you are having digs Duncan, and some if not most of the digs are absolutely valid and justified.  The horror stories I've heard on my travels would make pretty bad reading for anyone but yet people on here are STILL prepared to use this type of courier.   Simple fact is people should already be aware that there are those you should stay a mile away from and those that have even at this early stage proved thier more than up to the task.

 

 

If having an opinion and posting it on a forum is having a dig, then guilty as charged :X :X :X

Jamie

I'm the one that coined the phrase holding loifts as it was part of our logistics to get in place units where the birds can be safely housed for the night where they can be fed by a fancer/driver and kept without fear of getting lost or stolen.  If you want to see what one looks like go to your nearest industrial estate look at the small units there and you'll get the idea.

Jamie

Maybe you should post the location of these locations, would also help if we want birds delivered we could drop them off or maybe even pick them up :-/ :-/ :-/

 

 

Let me tell you from experience Duncan, 99.0 of fanciers are flexible and you can take my word on that, in pigeon transport there's no such thing as a fixed schedule, there never should be and this bullying by a select few to get birds from A to B without thought or care for the health of the bird shows who the true fanciers are and who the ones who just think they are get shown for what they are.   Hundreds of top breeders read this forum and I speak to them often on the subject of delivery times and schedules, I speak to the small ten bird fancier as well on the delivery times and not one true fancier has EVER complained or even been concerned about time as long as the birds are looked after, and that's the reality of it.   You ask anyone who's over a certain age how many times they've had a little piece of card through the door saying 'Sorry there was no answer, your delivery has been returned to the depot or shoved in the bin at the back of the house or even with the neighbour next door you don't get on with.   The fact of the matter Duncan, whether you like it or not, people simply have to be flexible and thankfully most true fanciers are.

 

Jamie

Yes most fanciers are as flexible as they can be but just because they can’t be totally flexible does  not make them less or an untrue fancier :-/ :-/ :-/

 

 

People condemn couriers (some should be) but in truth Duncan, you know as well as I that you had no chance of getting (say in your case 6 doves) down from your neck of the woods to Bradford and then back using just £30 of petrol, wear and tear of the car, your time, patience and so on.    

Jamie

 

Yes you did take eight white racers for me to Bradford and it was done on the same day, bearing in mind you were a day late in picking them up ;D ;D ;D

 

 

The point I was making, and most will have got it is that some of us couriers out there are proud of what we're doing and regardless of how well we do some people will still want more.  Christ, someone even complained on the colour of the boxes the other day!  Go figure huh, the boxes were free.   ??)

 

Jamie

What colour were the boxes, blue or green, I could see a lot objecting in that case ;D ;D ;D

 

 

It seems clear to me from the good people on here (and most are) that some couriers should not be in the business, they aren't fanciers and as such should not touch pigeons with a bargepole, they've proven this time and again.  So the moral of my post was DON'T use them, but please, don't tar all with the same brush, there are some of us out there that actually know and care about what we're doing, and whilst still on a learning curve will eventually get there.

 

Jamie

 

Since the demise of Amtrak, fanciers are just using couriers and a learning curve is happening and the good will flourish and the crap will dissolve. :-/ :-/ :-/

By the way was this not a thread about Coopers :X :X :X

 

 

I'm off now, I'm not getting embroiled into heavy debate with people on the efficacies of pigeon carrying,  the end argument is that as long as the bird is healthy from point A to point B and delivered in a reasonable time then that's all that matters.   I can quote every top breeder in the country on that one as I can every decent fancier.

Jamie

 

Too late once you have posted all the about to bow out the debate ;)

Get the kettle on, I'm up your way today.  

Jamie

 

No problem hope you have time to stop :)

 

[bewted]

That was an error! Anyway he had to rush off, something about a long journey ahead of him and not wanting to stop for toilets or anything lol.

 

yes error in not getting my tea,but,girl friend had one hmmmmmmm

 

any excuse will do i suppose hahahahahahaha

[ChrisMaidment08]

man after my own heart then superstar ;D

[DOVEScot]

 

i see no reason for fanciers to play devils advocate, as duncan often does ,, yes lots of his points are very valid,, some not so valid , but we all have our own minds and all are different , thats just part of life,, but if this company pigeontracker is doing their utmost , to my mind can do no more.. maybe a little help and encouragement from the fanciers would help,, as really to be really honest and forthright ,,we need decent couriers, and if we dont get them  soon i,e from  feb on,,, when y. pigeons, i,e any type,, show ,,racer,, fancy,,  etc will be sold and bought,, strays returned etc   , will be going up and down the country like mad ,, we, the fanciers will be in  a real rut,,, bearing in mind [allthough doesnt effect me,, for the moment anyway] racing fanciers not being able to claim their strays within the stipulated time limit , will find  themselves suspended [probably being of no fault of the fancier ] but rules are rules ,, and this would certainly happen. pigeon tracker ,as far as im concerned is doing a great job , we, the fanciers should appreciate that ,, and show it , encourage it [cause welle get it cheaper when in full flow ;D] most of the fanciers have been for pigeontracker and very few against , this cannot be bad , as all can have their say,,,amtrack and interlink are gone , no ifs or buts , so lets face it were in a desperate situation,,, pigeontracker has proved the best so far, so long this may continue

 

Sorry I thought this was a pigeon forum ;D ;D ;D

Jamie is a good guy and I believe he is genuinely trying to get better and offer a great service but I am sure he is not the only one out there trying to do the same. Also there are some cowboys who jumped on the wagon when Amtrak fell off

Why is is always the fanciers that seem to be at fault when something goes wrong, a fancier might be trying his best to get his birds delivered, these couriers are getting paid for their services, I know Jamie is a multi millionaire and doing it for the sheer pleasure but not all are like him   :D

Also age old human factor; you get very little praise for all the good thing you do in life but sure as hell if you get it wrong run for cover ;D ;D ;D

[Mighty Flyer]

Just this minute spoken to them and they are prepared to pick up for me on Monday but don't deliver until Weds.  Poor service as far as I'm concerned.  Seems to be a lot of hassle, bring back Amtrax.

 

I wouldnt jump the gun and say BRING AMTRAK BACK, but what i will say is that holding Pigeons in small cramped box's for over two days isn't acceptable...Unless the Courier knows exactly what they are doing.

 

 

 

 

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

WELL I SHALL GIVE YOU YOUR ANSWERS NOW I CAN GET ON HERE!!!

WELL I HAD PIGEONS COLLECTED FROM PAUL AND WAS TOLD THEY WOULD CHANGE THE DELIVERY ADDRESS AT THE DEPO MY THE GIRL ON THE PHONE AS WE WERE NOT IN, SO I THOUGHT TOP SERVICE ,, BUT I WAS WRONG, THE TURNED UP AT 8 AM ON FRIDAY FAILING TO GIVE US THE HALF HOUR WARNING CALL WHICH THEY PROMISE TO DO ON EVERY DELIVERY, THE DRIVER WAS VERY RUDE TO MY GRANDAD ( WHO IS 83 ) AND SAID THE PIGEONS AINT ON BORED AND I DUNNO WHERE THEY ARE! WELL THEY HAD FAILED TO CHANGE THE ADDRESS LIKE THEY GARENTEED ME THEY WOULD! SO THEY CAME AN EXTRA 12 MILES TO MY HOUSE ( WERE NO 1 WAS IN ) AND THEN WEN I RANG THE COMPANY THEY HADDENT A CLUE WHAT HAD HAPPEND AND THE GIRL ON THE DESK NEVER TOLD THEM OF THE ADDRESS CHANGE APART FROM THE DRIVER WHO HAD FORGOT!! THE DIDNT RING ME BACK UNTILL 1 30 PM WHEN THE DRIVER WAS TO FAR UP THE COUNTRY, THEY THEN WERENT TO WORRIED ABOUT IT AND ONLY WORRIED ABOUT THE MONEY, AND WERE VERY RUDE, TO ME AND PAUL THEY WERE ALSO NOT VERY NICE TO HIS WIFE WHICH TAKES THE p*ss!

 

SO TUESDAY COMES AND THE SAID THE BIRDS WILL BE DELIVERED BY 11AM AND THEY WOULD GIVE A HALF HOUR WARNING CALL WELL THEY FAILED TO DO BOTH, AND THEY LEFT THE BIRDS IN THE POURCH! WE 3 OUT OF THE 5 BIRDS HAVE DAMAGED TAILS AND 2 HAVE BROKEN FLIGHTS, WHICH ARE TO FAR GONE FOR FIXING WITH THE KETTLE, THEY WERE COVERED IN sh** IMPLYING THEY WERENT CLEAN NEST BOXES, AND THEY HAD VERY GREASY WATTLES LIKE THEY GET WHEN THEY HAVE RESPORTRY AND I KNOW THESE BIRDS DIDNT LEAVE PAUL LIKE THAT! THE SAID THEY WERE DOING ME A FAVOUR NOT CHARGING ME A RE DELIVERY RATE!

 

 

THEN THE FIRST TIME I USED THEM I WAS HAVING BIRDS PICKED UP FROM DARRAN MCFADDEN! WELL THEY PICKED THE BIRDS UP FROM HIM AT 12 30 AM IN THE MORNING YES 12 30 AM! THEYRE VAN BROKE DOWN BUT INSTEAD OF SENDING A REPLACEMENT VAN THEY MADE PEOPLE WAIT UP THAT L8! THEY DIDNT DELIVER THE BIRDS UNTILL 9 PM THE NEXT DAY TAKES THE p*ss A TREAT

[red1chq3]

dO ANY OF THESE COMPANYS BACKED BY LIABILTY INSURANCE?

 

[slatey]

dO ANY OF THESE COMPANYS BACKED BY LIABILTY INSURANCE?

 

they got to have goods in transit and liabilty insurance

 

 

[red1chq3]

then tell me why most everyone complains instead of getting of there backsides and claiming of these companys for the value of the damage created, I would imagine it would not be long before they got there acts together!!

[red1chq3]

All it take's is a bit of stratigic managment in putting a process together, that will ensure a quality output!!

[red1chq3]

These guys are provide a sevice, therefore we are the customer, what do customers deserve, a quality product to ensure repeatabality of the sevices on offen, if this fails then the provider has failed to offer a quality sevice, adding this all up means only one thing for the provider a sad end!!!