PIGEON TRACKER

[ChrisMaidment08]

well im stunned that dispite myself on this ocasion in a sense backing keven im shocked that his two costermers never came into his post but the navigater did surely they should have explation not steve???????

[PigeonTracker]

 

Anita you had 3 and a half hours to ring me back. Why did Jamie tell me I could have gone to Steve Wright's in the afternoon when you didn't tell me this. My demands strange terminology. You know I was due a call back , why wait 3 and a hlf hoyurs to tell me you would not be picking up the birds.

And what about the 6 am pick up (earlier actually you know that because it would appear I spoke to you). Is this a policy you will stick to?

Mr. Baker, you only have one contact we could get you on, and that is a mobile phone, 07853 218XXX.  Have you not thought for one second that we've actually tried to phone you but not got a answer because you were not in a reception area, your network was down, etc?   A lesson learnt here is the need for land lines to be provided along with mobile phones as they provide more of a base for us to contact you in an area notorious for bad connection with mobile phones.

 

As for other posters who've jumped in like pack dogs all I can say to you is you ought to be ashamed of yourselves acting like you are trying to discredit the hard work Pigeon Tracker put in.   You've brought this forum down to a standard not befitting its true status and that's not me just saying it, that is many people thinking it but not wishing to say it.   If you all think you can do a better job than Pigeon Tracker then simply get up of your backsides and do so instead of spending so many hours in front of the computer critisising the work that we do.

 

If it wasn't for the mess left by many couriers who simply don't turn up for weeks on end we wouldn't be so inundated with work which means we have to be so strict with our scheduling.   We don't take glee in this fact and could paint a far different picture of some couriers than certain members on here  are doing.    The simple point to end this conversation is that if you don't wish to work with a courier company that has gone to extra-ordinary lenghts to make things work for its customers then don't, that will always be your choice.

 

As for the constant mud throwing it has nothing but the opposite effect from what you desire as people see a certain quarter here being nothing short of bullies, and we all know that nobody likes a bully.  

 

This forum is not a kangaroo court for a select few on here as much as you'd like it to be and no explanation is needed to any other than the customer himself which we do in privacy and without divulging to the beying hounds.  As the primary critics here are not customers they should keep out of other people's business as it quite simply has nothing to do with you.   People like you won't be happy until you've badgered the couriers so much that we all get fed up and pack in and then you'll all be in a position that would effectively bring pigeon fancying to its knees, so in that vien either put up by making your own courier service or kindly shut up and let us get on with out work.  

 

Regards,

 

Anita

 

For and on behalf of Pigeon Tracker

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

i stood up for you keven in this post and was unhappy at the fact you adress the posts to someone who never even phoned you or requested youer service you ignored them  now as usual everyone is at fault  why are you posting under another name use youer own its clear from youer writeing its you    and i see we are back to poor keven and every one is against anyone who has complaint against youer service name um i would like to know   this forum has its views on lots of things and the truth is one of them   ?? sadly lacking from some quaters i exspect this to be removed as you claim to sponser site to peaple around you perhaps this could be verifyed     honesty best policy to us and goverment aganceys  and im quite happy for you to phone here with threats at anytime day or night unlike others who are weaker

[Guest strapper]

all i can be is honest and pigeon tracker has stated what time they,d be here to pick up birds and they have fullfilled that.

jamie has been polite and easy to get on with,im not sticking up for pigeon tracker and i dont know how others have found them, but when jamie calls here i find no fault.

i think people need to look at the good and bad points of courriers and not base a service entirely on bad points and vise versa..unless the bad points out weigh the good points. then if more bad then change service.

ill continue to use pigeon tracker untill i see the service is not working for me,like any service everyone has a choice and giving their expericences can only improve what ever service they use.

[superstar]

i stood up for you keven in this post and was unhappy at the fact you adress the posts to someone who never even phoned you or requested youer service you ignored them  now as usual everyone is at fault  why are you posting under another name use youer own its clear from youer writeing its you    and i see we are back to poor keven and every one is against anyone who has complaint against youer service name um i would like to know   this forum has its views on lots of things and the truth is one of them   ?? sadly lacking from some quaters i exspect this to be removed as you claim to sponser site to peaple around you perhaps this could be verifyed honesty best policy to us and goverment aganceys  and im quite happy for you to phone here with threats at anytime day or night unlike others who are weaker

 

Well quite possible as nothing done about the threats he's handed out and money seems to make things tick. Seems strange he's still here and others have been removed for less don't you all think? I'm thinking of acting in the same maner just to see how long I last if only to prove a point!

[Guest]

who are we to get ripped into any courier lets not forget we didnt miss the water till the well run dry (amtrak) now its early days  for the boys who are trying to fill the gap and no doubt some will fail and some will get rich best of luck to them but lets not drive them out before they start no i wont have a pick up at that  time in the morning so i cant use tracker i will try with flying courier best of luck to yous all

[jakjak]

who are we to get ripped into any courier lets not forget we didnt miss the water till the well run dry (amtrak) now its early days  for the boys who are trying to fill the gap and no doubt some will fail and some will get rich best of luck to them but lets not drive them out before they start no i wont have a pick up at that  time in the morning so i cant use tracker i will try with flying courier best of luck to yous all

 

Well said..........if your not happy with a courier then try another............at the end of the day we need pigeon couriers........and I have found Pigeon Tracker to provide a super service.

[DOVEScot]

Jamie aka Kevin, Anita or Walter Mitty whatever at the end of the day you are Pigeon Tracker, you joined this sight to promote your business and I for one wished you all the best in your venture, I asked you some relevant ( I thought anyway) questions about your business you then proceeded to belittle me both on the boards and in Pm's, you also have threatened me in Pm's and on the phone you tried to threaten me as well, I thought we had cleared the air but as much as you get Pm's from members saying that I am a trouble maker on the site, I get Pm's saying you are continually discrediting me and other members as well so it looks like your word means nothing to me

I find it funny that when you sit on your butt and post a big screed about how good you are and how bad the other couriers are, how you can come on here and criticise every courier for their inadiquacies yet you spit the dummy out if anyone else does it to you, also how you as a member are here to try and help all of us, yet others are just lazy good for nothing that need to get off their butts and do something ;D ;D ;D

The thing is there is more that enough businesses out there for not just Pigeon Tracker.

 

The good ships will stay afloat the rubbish will sink and the great will sail ahead of the rest, but firing guns and scuttling others in the process is just like piracy

No bad for a kangaroo carpenter ;D ;D ;D

[peterh127]

I very rarely post on this forum as every thing eventually turns into a slanging match.

 

I repeat however i have used PigeonTracker 5 times to pick up pigeons in England and deliver here to Scotland. Each delivery was discussed times agreed and pigeons delivered that night into Scotland. Yes it might be late at night or early in the morning but so what as long as the pigeon ss transported in a safe stable and healthy enviroment. I am prepared to get out of my bed in the morning or stay up at night top recieve it.

If your not prepared to do that then get another courier.

[Guest]

I very rarely post on this forum as every thing eventually turns into a slanging match.

 

I repeat however i have used PigeonTracker 5 times to pick up pigeons in England and deliver here to Scotland. Each delivery was discussed times agreed and pigeons delivered that night into Scotland. Yes it might be late at night or early in the morning but so what as long as the pigeon ss transported in a safe stable and healthy enviroment. I am prepared to get out of my bed in the morning or stay up at night top recieve it.

If your not prepared to do that then get another courier.

 

Peter have no problem with using a different courier, not much choice though seems pigeon tracker have decided will not collect from me perhaps because I am not like you willing to disturb my family and close; I will reiterate I know of no carriers that deliver as a norm to domestic properties at 5.30 in the morning. As to slanging match you are misleading. I ststed facts and did not at any time get personal. Pigeon Tracker have not answered the issues, Jamie has tried to sidetrack the issues. However I'm sure he thinks telling me I should provide another phone no means that would make it right to arrive at 5.30 in the morning  ;D ;D

I have no more to say, the thread is open for fanciers to read and make up their own mind. I'm comfortable that the details I have provided are 100% correct.

[PigeonTracker]

 

Peter have no problem with using a different courier, not much choice though seems pigeon tracker have decided will not collect from me perhaps because I am not like you willing to disturb my family and close; I will reiterate I know of no carriers that deliver as a norm to domestic properties at 5.30 in the morning. As to slanging match you are misleading. I ststed facts and did not at any time get personal. Pigeon Tracker have not answered the issues, Jamie has tried to sidetrack the issues. However I'm sure he thinks telling me I should provide another phone no means that would make it right to arrive at 5.30 in the morning  ;D ;D

I have no more to say, the thread is open for fanciers to read and make up their own mind. I'm comfortable that the details I have provided are 100% correct.

 

Having spoken to your customers and advised them of your stance against 6.am pick up (NOT 5.30) there appeared no objection on their part and they could  not see a problem in you boxing the birds the evening before and simply handing them over and going back to bed.   you'll find that in fact many fanciers are quite happy to get up at 5.30 if it means avoiding a months wait to get the birds to them or to their customers.   The issue you raised was put to every single customer on the run you would have caused a delay on by your particular needs and they all agreed without exception that we as a courier company have to balance everyone's needs and not just one.  

 

Your absolutely right that we won't pick up or deliver to you again as we reserve that right just as you do to choose another courier, we take your breach of client/courier confidentiality very seriously and it seems you went out of your way to post (illegally I might add) our conversations, which I may add were professional and matter of fact.  

 

I simply hope that any courier you now have to find will be able to satisfy your needs unlike we could.   As for domestic couriers your missing the picture, these are pigeons which most domestic couriers either won't or shouldn't be picking up as they put the birds in jeopardy.  

 

As for side-tracking the issues, there was only one issue, you could not accommodate and we could not accommodate yours.  Having spoken and apologized to the person who actually ordered the birds from you he completely agreed with me that both the courier and the fancier have to work together otherwise every pigeon fancier in the UK is soon going to be in trouble.   I came into the courier business to help rather than hinder but even I'm beginning to wonder why on earth I should bother when it comes to dealing with people who won't work with us to cater for the disaster Amtrak has left us all in.  

 

Many have said it and I echo it, the more you pressure the courier companies like our and insult, badger and harass the less likely we are to want to remain, I for one don't need the hassle and bullying that has occurred on this forum, neither do my staff, if and when I decide to give in that will be yet another courier who's given in, what's it going to be then, complain about someone else until we're all so fed up that your left with none?

 

I have nothing further to say on this matter save to say that your had no right to post confidential material on open forum which I might remind you is against the law.

 

 

[gooner]

both the courier and the fancier have to work together , this is ok at tyhe moment but what is going to happen in the racing season when non fanciers start getting birds in they will not get up at that time or stay up till what ever time to accomodate us pigeon fanciers

[Guest]

Good point son!! Not many can see any further than next week, never mind 4 months away. We all have an obligation, like it or not, to have birds collected from non fanciers.

[Guest shadow]

 

Having spoken to your customers and advised them of your stance against 6.am pick up (NOT 5.30) there appeared no objection on their part and they could  not see a problem in you boxing the birds the evening before and simply handing them over and going back to bed.   you'll find that in fact many fanciers are quite happy to get up at 5.30 if it means avoiding a months wait to get the birds to them or to their customers.   The issue you raised was put to every single customer on the run you would have caused a delay on by your particular needs and they all agreed without exception that we as a courier company have to balance everyone's needs and not just one.  

 

Your absolutely right that we won't pick up or deliver to you again as we reserve that right just as you do to choose another courier, we take your breach of client/courier confidentiality very seriously and it seems you went out of your way to post (illegally I might add) our conversations, which I may add were professional and matter of fact.  

 

I simply hope that any courier you now have to find will be able to satisfy your needs unlike we could.   As for domestic couriers your missing the picture, these are pigeons which most domestic couriers either won't or shouldn't be picking up as they put the birds in jeopardy.  

 

As for side-tracking the issues, there was only one issue, you could not accommodate and we could not accommodate yours.  Having spoken and apologized to the person who actually ordered the birds from you he completely agreed with me that both the courier and the fancier have to work together otherwise every pigeon fancier in the UK is soon going to be in trouble.   I came into the courier business to help rather than hinder but even I'm beginning to wonder why on earth I should bother when it comes to dealing with people who won't work with us to cater for the disaster Amtrak has left us all in.  

 

Many have said it and I echo it, the more you pressure the courier companies like our and insult, badger and harass the less likely we are to want to remain, I for one don't need the hassle and bullying that has occurred on this forum, neither do my staff, if and when I decide to give in that will be yet another courier who's given in, what's it going to be then, complain about someone else until we're all so fed up that your left with none?

 

I have nothing further to say on this matter save to say that your had no right to post confidential material on open forum which I might remind you is against the law.

 

 

well said some have short memories of the problems they had with amtrak

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Your absolutely right that we won't pick up or deliver to you again as we reserve that right just as you do to choose another courier, we take your breach of client/courier confidentiality very seriously and it seems you went out of your way to post (illegally I might add) our conversations, which I may add were professional and matter of fact.  

I'm quite sure if we were to look back in your own posts we would see that you have done the very same thing??? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/.

 

Also would say that if your willing to use this site for promotion of your business as you do, it is a disgrace of you to come on here and try hush :X :X :X a man for telling the truth even to the extent that you a warning him of with the old legal one of "breach of client/courier confidentiality act".

 

 

I have nothing further to say on this matter save to say that your had no right to post confidential material on open forum which I might remind you is against the law.

 

If a fellow member of pigeonbasics cant explain to other members details of why his pigeon was not picked up by pigeontracker without you using the threat of legal terms well for me it is time that there is no longer space on this site for you or any company who takes this stance.

 

 

[eastcoaster]

Can i ask all who are complaining on the early or late delivery of your birds, Do you race in any national races? race closes at 10 or 11pm   opens 4or 5am   where are you? waiting on your birds! so tell me why is there a differance waiting on your next super breeders or sending a new start his , i don`t understand why there is so much hassle for the courier when in the end he runs a business.

[Guest]

Can i ask all who are complaining on the early or late delivery of your birds, Do you race in any national races? race closes at 10 or 11pm   opens 4or 5am   where are you? waiting on your birds! so tell me why is there a differance waiting on your next super breeders or sending a new start his , i don`t understand why there is so much hassle for the courier when in the end he runs a business.

 

I totally agree. But as I have always advocated on here, We as pigeon fanciers, be it Racing, Showing or Fancies all need to take a step back and understand that without ALL of the couriers who are in business to transport our birds from A to B we would well up the creek without a paddle. We have ALL got to realise that these forums are open to the general public, and if they were to read the bitching and backstabbing that is going on internally amongst us pigeon fanciers, is it any wonder, that we don't get the co-operation from the general public that we should be?

As many have stated on here, "they will NOT post on this topic, because it leads to arguements among the fickle minded" I say to ALL who use this sight, Think about what you are posting. The Pigeon Fraternity and Couriers alike need GOOD publicity, NOT constant bad publicity on this question of Pigeon Transportation. We ALL should be very grateful that a few people have got of their backsides, ploughed their own money into starting courier businesses to help us ALL out of the mess that Amtrak left us in

[PigeonTracker]

Can i ask all who are complaining on the early or late delivery of your birds, Do you race in any national races? race closes at 10 or 11pm   opens 4or 5am   where are you? waiting on your birds! so tell me why is there a differance waiting on your next super breeders or sending a new start his , i don`t understand why there is so much hassle for the courier when in the end he runs a business.

There shouldn't be a problem but as you can see from one of the posts above by Gareth Rankin, that's all you seem to get as a courier here is people constantly having a go.

 

For your information Gareth you tell me WHERE in any of my posts have I ever broken client confidentiality?  I wouldn't do that as its illegal and unprofessional to do so.   Now if its people's goals to get rid of couriers one by one by constantly bickering at them let me tell you one thing.  It's WORKING.   I for one am getting absolutely sick and tired of a few big mouths spoiling it for the majority.

 

I have gained very little custom from this forum, quite the opposite with the constant slating by a select few, my custom comes from word of mouth which is how it should be.   The problem with this forum is some of the members here think the forum is more important than it actually is and that it is vital to the courier industry, let me tell you a harsh fact, IT'S NOT, point of fact it does more damage than the worth of it as the whiners and troublemakers put pressure on the couriers to do more than what is realistic.  I know for a fact that certain couriers on here have left people in the lurch for weeks yet they get praised as the next best thing since sliced bread, (they know who they are)  If they only knew what was ahead of them come January they'd stay a million miles away because the demands some people put on the couriers is wholly unacceptable and if they can't cope now, they have little or no chance in the new season.

 

What I can say is god help breeder and racing season if this continues because as a courier myself I see nothing but a gloomy future that is held together by one man and a van setups who are simply not going to be able to cope with even a fraction of the business that goes on in season.

 

Yours,

 

an increasingly disillusioned Jamie

 

[Guest bigda]

Can i ask all who are complaining on the early or late delivery of your birds, Do you race in any national races? race closes at 10 or 11pm   opens 4or 5am   where are you? waiting on your birds! so tell me why is there a differance waiting on your next super breeders or sending a new start his , i don`t understand why there is so much hassle for the courier when in the end he runs a business.

 

what non fancier do you know of, and if i arranged the bird to be picked  up is going to  stay in  or get out of bed  at 5-30 am for a uplift thats the point, amtrac  the earliest time 8 AM latest 5-30 pm

[PigeonTracker]

 

what non fancier do you know of, and if i arranged the bird to be picked  up is going to  stay in  or get out of bed  at 5-30 am for a uplift thats the point, amtrac  the earliest time 8 AM latest 5-30 pm

Wake up BigDa.  AMTRAK are DEAD.   Things have changed now, christ even Curry's the electrical store are now advertising a delivery service from 6.am to 10.am because they know that's the only way to do things.   If Pigeon Fanciers like you stay in the dark ages then the profit of doom who say pigeon racing is dying is 100% correct because trust me, without couriers the entire sport and industry are doomed.

 

For your information I could give you pages of our customers who would be only too happy to get out of their beds to recieve their birds, its the lazy good for nothings who think the world owes them a living that think its a cardinal sin to expect the fancier to help the courier.    I've pretty much made my point clear on the subject and whilst I won't get drawn into arguments I will certainly debate the issues with a view to getting us to all work together.  

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

There shouldn't be a problem but as you can see from one of the posts above by Gareth Rankin, that's all you seem to get as a courier here is people constantly having a go.

 

For your information Gareth you tell me WHERE in any of my posts have I ever broken client confidentiality?  I wouldn't do that as its illegal and unprofessional to do so.   Now if its people's goals to get rid of couriers one by one by constantly bickering at them let me tell you one thing.  It's WORKING.   I for one am getting absolutely sick and tired of a few big mouths spoiling it for the majority.

 

I have gained very little custom from this forum, quite the opposite with the constant slating by a select few, my custom comes from word of mouth which is how it should be.   The problem with this forum is some of the members here think the forum is more important than it actually is and that it is vital to the courier industry, let me tell you a harsh fact, IT'S NOT, point of fact it does more damage than the worth of it as the whiners and troublemakers put pressure on the couriers to do more than what is realistic.  I know for a fact that certain couriers on here have left people in the lurch for weeks yet they get praised as the next best thing since sliced bread, (they know who they are)  If they only knew what was ahead of them come January they'd stay a million miles away because the demands some people put on the couriers is wholly unacceptable and if they can't cope now, they have little or no chance in the new season.

 

What I can say is god help breeder and racing season if this continues because as a courier myself I see nothing but a gloomy future that is held together by one man and a van setups who are simply not going to be able to cope with even a fraction of the business that goes on in season.

 

Yours,

 

an increasingly disillusioned Jamie

 

Jamie i am sorry that you are feeling disillusioned at this moment in time but you have problems that you will need to address if you are going to survive long term in pigeon transport sector.

 

1. Customer satisfaction.

 

2. Logistics - something far wrong if you need to pick pigeons up at 05.30 - 06.00 and deliver on the last couple of hours to midnight, which for me means that you do not have a strong enough network of drivers to cope with demand and is especially worrying when we are in the quite time of transporting pigeons.

 

3. I don't believe for one minute that anybody has goals at getting rid of any couriers as we are crying out for sound reliable couriers that give the customer the service and respect that they are due with being a customer.

 

4. You cannot use this open forum for your business purposes and expect to only hear the compliments for pigeontracker if you come on this site you have to take the good and the bad.

 

5. Perhaps if you are struggling to run the business because of logistics (shortage of drivers) maybe you should look at increasing your cost of per delivery which in turn will mean a quality service that will keep everyone happy and a service that i and most would be happy to pay for.

 

cheers

Gareth

[eastcoaster]

i would have thought that a early colection is more unusual than the norm, and yes it would be unfair to ask anon fancier to be up just because OUR bird was lost , but it comes back to the fact!  they are OUR birds and if the courier you choose can only pick up in that area at 6am then WE have to sort something out that suit`s better,

I had 2 birds delivered on thurs 10.45 pm the two drivers had been on the go since 4.45am and had hit some of the worst weather this year on the way up  so instead of slagging them i commend them ,  AMTRAK ARE BUST,

[PigeonTracker]

 

Jamie i am sorry that you are feeling disillusioned at this moment in time but you have problems that you will need to address if you are going to survive long term in pigeon transport sector.

 

1. Customer satisfaction.

 

That is the one thing that we've always achieved, we've done this by never making promises we can deliver or pickup when we know we can't/

 

2. Logistics - something far wrong if you need to pick pigeons up at 05.30 - 06.00 and deliver on the last couple of hours to midnight, which for me means that you do not have a strong enough network of drivers to cope with demand and is especially worrying when we are in the quite time of transporting pigeons.

 

 

Of course we don't have a strong enough network of drivers just yet, and we're one of the stronger ones out there.   If people were prepared to wait the extra day for their birds to be delivered then there would be no need to deliver late at night or early in the morning, but most want us to post a stamp on the pigeons head and get it delivered before the egg has hatched.

 

3. I don't believe for one minute that anybody has goals at getting rid of any couriers as we are crying out for sound reliable couriers that give the customer the service and respect that they are due with being a customer.

 

You could have fooled me with the attitude shown by some on this forum.

 

4. You cannot use this open forum for your business purposes and expect to only hear the compliments for pigeontracker if you come on this site you have to take the good and the bad.

 

I don't use this forum for business purposes, I came on here to stand accountable to my customers and to help where needed, but a select few chose to take my straight approach the wrong way and decided to have a go at all costs.   You'll notice the lack of complaints about Pigeon Tracker here save for one where there was a genuine error with Delboy and that was down to traffic.   The only complaint I've ever recieved until this 6.am debarcle was the fact one of our drivers turned up three hours early because the recipient never took the time to answer his messages left on his phone.  He never got out of bed and needless to say even though we waited three hours for him on that occassion we haven't accepted orders off him since.   His time to get up was 8.00 btw.

 

 

5. Perhaps if you are struggling to run the business because of logistics (shortage of drivers) maybe you should look at increasing your cost of per delivery which in turn will mean a quality service that will keep everyone happy and a service that i and most would be happy to pay for.

 

Logic in your post there for sure but how long do you think it would take for people to start screaming foul that the prices increased?   It's a no win situation for the couriers because of a select few idiots, and I have no weaker word for them that rant on how brilliant a courier service is because they deliver from one end of the country to the other end for £25 and give free boxes.    This type of courier aren't making money I'm 100% certain of it, but do you think the fanciers using them care a damn about that?  NO, all they care about is getting their birds at the lowest price regardless.   Its only a matter of time before the couriers offering such a low price are going to be forced to give in to the fact its not viable and bang goes yet more couriers.

 

Honestly, we're digging holes for ourselves here but can't see it.

 

 

[superstar]

Quoted from PigeonTracker

 

Your absolutely right that we won't pick up or deliver to you again as we reserve that right just as you do to choose another courier, we take your breach of client/courier confidentiality very seriously and it seems you went out of your way to post (illegally I might add) our conversations, which I may add were professional and matter of fact.  

 

 

Pitty you hadn't tried that one on me when you sent your intimidating PM as I posted that for all to see too! On a note of legality have you paid or obtained written permission to use all those images on your web site? As none of them actually belong to you. The VAN's you also display on there are FALSE ADVERTISING as they dont exist yet you are quite happy to let people believe they do.

Your business is built on a sham simple as that. You tell more lies and create more spin than a British government and when people get wise and post openly the facts you get all agressive which goes even further to show what a set up you are. Its like your desperate for business! Lets face it if your business is as healthy as you like people to think then one or two disapointed customers wouldn't matter making comments but you really do highlight them yourself then turn on the threats. Good luck in business I for one can tell your amatures and new to it by your very actions and reactions. All I see you as is a trouble maker as there have been more rows on this site caused by you and your actions than everything else combined. The sooner the people in charge here act on you the better simple as that!

[PigeonTracker]

 

Anyone who feels the need to be anonymous and not accept my invitation to air your clear grievance face to face as I requested via p.m nothing more speaks for itself.   If you have nothing constructive to add to the forum regarding the problems couriers have and the problems fanciers and breeders alike are going to face then kindly refrain from posting unecessary rants as they get you no-where.