Baby Milk

[Guest SPORTKA]

Last year I soaked the corn with lemon juice and added the baby milk, I was thinking of putting it in the water this year ,can anyone tell me at what ratio to put into the water, also your thoughts on which way works best ? thanx in advance Chris.

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

ive never put it on the water and im not to keen putting it on the corn with lemon juice as i think its has to much acid for there little stomacs im prob completely wrong but thats my thoughts lol

[Guest bigbok]

how abouy mixing it up by the pint or litre and syringeing it in their crops each night !!! before you go home

[Guest stb-]

Just dont see the point  in giving baby milk :-/  Theres plenty other feeds to rear perfect young birds without going to extremes.

 

This just seems like a lot of exspence and a lot of unnecessary hard work.

 

as it says on baby milk boxes discard after 2 hrs as it goes off

 

[stantheman]

i have used the milk powder on corn for as long as i can remember and my youngsters always look well on it so see no reason to change if you read whats in it you can see why it benifits them and as for cost its not that expensive compared to a lot of so called pigeon supplements, i also use it once a week all year on corn for ybs ask anyone whose seen my birds they always look well and droppings are like marbles

[jimbhoy29]

would u put baby milk on the food  and have a pot of homoform in there box. or is it one or the other

[gulkie]

the parents feed the chicks a milk mash for about the first

10 days, why on earth would u give them baby milk, u wont

better there own parents milk.

[Guest SPORTKA]

Surely if you are putting goodness into the parents they in turn pass it on in their milk to the youngsters, I used it last year and I think it gives the young birds a good head start, but hey each to their own

[david.j]

Surely if you are putting goodness into the parents they in turn pass it on in their milk to the youngsters, I used it last year and I think it gives the young birds a good head start, but hey each to their own

 

i agree wont do them any harm at all ,all the contents of baby milk must give them a good start

[stantheman]

As my mum always says you are what you eat! athletes today all supplement their diets looking for the thing to make the difference and we are the same with the birds

[Guest IB]

Its a long time since we had baby milk in the house so I'm well out of touch with what is in it. Went to SMA website and the first thing I met and had to get past to get into their Site, is funnily enough, an SMA statement that another type of milk has been proved better than their product? And what is that other type of milk? Breast milk.

 

So stands to reason that if breast milk is proved best for human babies, then pigeon milk must be best for pigeons. Pigeon milk has been proved to be the most nourishing substance on the planet. How can you improve on that?

[shweet]

Yes but whats in the pigeon milk decides on whats in the parents crops surley !  Thats why breastfeeding mothers cant drink alchahol and take certain drugs because it is passed on the milk.

[Guest IB]

Yes but whats in the pigeon milk decides on whats in the parents crops surley !  Thats why breastfeeding mothers cant drink alchahol and take certain drugs because it is passed on the milk.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by the first bit?

 

Second bit is clear enough, lots of stuff ends up in the crop milk including antibodies, e.g. from parents' PMV vaccination. Lot to do with seeding the youngsters' immune system.

 

Here's an idea of the nutritional value of crop milk:-

 

CROP MILK

 

Protein & Fat

The parents rear growing squabs to mature body weight at 28 days. Squabs have an extraordinary high rate of maturing (0.15 to 0.19 gram per day) in comparison to other domesticated species e.g. poultry (0.04 gram per day) and quail (0.08 to 0.1 gram per day). This growth rate is achieved by regurgitation of crop milk by both parents, formed in response to prolactin secretion and triggered by brooding. Crop milk consists primarily of protein (11.0 to 18.8%) and fat (4.5 to 12.7%), but lacks significant levels of carbohydrates.

 

Carbohydrates & Sugars

The carbohydrate content was in the range of 0.9 to 1.5%. Sialic acids constituted 5-9% of carbohydrates. Some of the sugars identified in crop milk were fucose (40%), glucosamine (31%), galactose (12%), mannose (9%) and glucose (8%).

 

[Guest frank dooman]

can anyone who uses baby milk tell me they have had better results with y/bs when useing it????

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

i only use it to rear big healty younsters not to race on it . its a long time from rearing to raceing . i just think it gives the youngsters a gd start in life . like they say many roads lead to rome and this is just my way . it prop dosent do any thing to them lol but i feel better for it . i think its like most products fanciers use i dont think it effects the birds much but the fancier feels better because he thinks hes doing some thing ol

[Guest frank dooman]

i only use it to rear big healty younsters not to race on it . its a long time from rearing to raceing . i just think it gives the youngsters a gd start in life . like they say many roads lead to rome and this is just my way . it prop dosent do any thing to them lol but i feel better for it . i think its like most products fanciers use i dont think it effects the birds much but the fancier feels better because he thinks hes doing some thing ol

 

yes rocky i agree we seem to think we know better but we dont and we also do things to feel we have done something better for them iam just interisted to know if there is any advantage to giving it iam a believer that a pair that cant rear good healthy y/birds useing a good breeding mix should be marked down as been suspect them self along with the y/bds. just another way to sort the good from the bad right from the start i have never had a bird that had a bad start in life do anything special

[pigeonpete]

i used sma gold last year, 2 teaspoons to a 5 pingt drinker, and by 5/6 days struggled to get rings on :-) Will be using again this year :-)

[Guest big pete]

i used sma gold last year, 2 teaspoons to a 5 pingt drinker, and by 5/6 days struggled to get rings on :-) Will be using again this year :-)

 

how soon before hatching to you start to add to water????

[gulkie]

 

yes rocky i agree we seem to think we know better but we dont and we also do things to feel we have done something better for them iam just interisted to know if there is any advantage to giving it iam a believer that a pair that cant rear good healthy y/birds useing a good breeding mix should be marked down as been suspect them self along with the y/bds. just another way to sort the good from the bad right from the start i have never had a bird that had a bad start in life do anything special

my sentements exactly. even the poor qualty young will look good.

 

[ch pied]

i use Colostrum powder , it is a replacer in dryed form for calf's . that need a little bit extra . £10 = 230gms , this i give 3 time's a week untill the y/bird's are 6 week's old .

[pigeonpete]

 

how soon before hatching to you start to add to water????

 

About 2/3 days before mate, Would not reccomend using it in the summer, due to heat, and needs changing twice a day :-) But they will be like baby turkeys :-)

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

my sentements exactly. even the poor qualty young will look good.

 

if you have a poor pair of feeders sma is not going to turn them into a gd pair ! and i dont breed any poor quality birds as my selection of birds decides that there is no poor quality in the loft add to that is that i only breed off proven birds and no bird is bred off unless it has proven it self as all my stock eggs are floated under my race team . last year i only sold 20 youngbirds for racing having six winners reported back that to me is a gd strike rate also i only bred 34 for my self to race ending the season with 31 with all birds racing up to 183 miles so yet again i would say that was a gd season . was it how they where reared ? was how they are trained ? was how they where bred ? i dont know . i believe its a mixture of many things and many little things help