just a pipedream at minute

[cottage lofts]

would anyone on here know of any reason why i cannot easily set up an lost pigeon recovery/collection service similar to phamtom flyer

 

just covering the north east section of england...

 

anybody got any ideas on how i could get this up and running and MOST OF ALL WOULD YOU USE IT ...

 

i see amtrak are up to there usual CRAPPNESS to put it politely.

 

what does the other couriers charge and how far do they cover.

 

i would cover from nottingham--- manchester ----newcastle---- scarborough and back

 

as i have alot of time doing only my pigeons & i have collected a few, i thought why not ...

 

any views on this

 

jon

[pjc]

Better off linking up with Roger as you will find most of birds you pick up in a limited area will want to be transported out of the area which you may not be prepared to or may not be economical to do!

 

Phil

[cottage lofts]

whos roger the phantom flyer

what area doe's he cover...

 

and what about pigeon express

[jimmy_84]

good idea and if i ever needed to use a service you would be 1st a more personal touch and a fancier rather than amtrak

 

Would it only be for lost and stray birds or would you be able to collect birds that have been sold or pick up on behalf of the purchaser as i don't drive and have to rely on friends or amtrak have only used them once for myself and 1 to collect a stray from me found them fast this time and they delivered the bird in perfect time and condition

 

Jimmy

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Give Roger a call he is always looking for assistance 01733312717, Tell him Rab Smith from Scotland told you to call.

 

Nice guy

 

Cheers

 

Rab Smith

[Guest bigda]

hi mate  this is not a easy game to be involved in the problems you will have with this is driving say from north  down to  Manchester,  hitting traffic  jams and the person your to get the bird of  is not in,thats just one scenario, the next is the non fancier type call after six,  £30 per bird, the bird escaped just as you turn into the street, for collection   then theres the  crank call, to go to the other end of the town, to add to that  one of the birds in your care  has a heart attack and dies in your van,explain these are just a few of the things that  you will face

but if this dos en"t bother you  then go for it  but remember this is  full time job  and must be kept  up  for  the fanciers don't like been f about  collecting anything takes time mate :o :'(

[OLDYELLOW]

amtrak never give a time for pick up or delivery, however they have depots everywhere so makes transfering from one area to another easier, in order to do something on a small scale you would need contacts in all these main areas so can collect from one point, with the cost of petrol rising ill be supprised if amtrak dont hike there prices even further. Also how would you charge a fee ?  if only carrying one bird from a to b nothing else to collect or deliver thats minmum wage plus wear and tear on a ventlated van lots of things to concider realy Jon. However if you get a fancier who is willing to have all birds from there area delivered to them you would have one collection point / delivery point

[cottage lofts]

i would collect any pigeons whether sold birds or lost

 

( no one can say when a pigeon will die ) but if i kill it by either damage or accident i will be liable.

 

as for times for collections it would be done when booked in for collection. but a time would be an estimate as they are a lot of things can hold you up like you say traffic etc.

 

 

[cottage lofts]

i see what you say oldyellow

its not what you know its who you know.

 

[Guest Vic]

Give it a go, but only pluck the fruit fom the bush, not the thorns. £15 a bird would be a reasonable price, Don't you think?

[cottage lofts]

i think phantom charges £28 a bird dosnt he..

 

£15 lol

[Guest Vic]

I am talking about your own area, YORKSHIRE.If all intended couriers only covered their own area, using the nearest other  courier (with a slight increase of charge) between each other. there would be no problems. It would be impossible, for one guy to cover the whole field.    

[gangster]

phanthom charges £24...

[Guest bigda]

i take it you have made up your mind then  just a thought should you break down what then,  who would you, use to return bird to owner.

[DOVEScot]

phanthom charges £24...

 

So are you going to pay £24 to every one that handles the bird within the network, don't think so, it is hard enough to get £30 to return any birds as it is

Bigda is right it will be a headache trying to cover all possibilities, networking from cornwall to aberdeen and beyond will be a nightmare, good luck to anyone that gives it a go but I will be very surprised if you do not encounter similar "not all" problems to any major courier :-/

[Merlin]

My own opinion is again you are to be commended for attempting to do something about these birds,which is an ever increasing problem,the task of covering the whole Country is daunting and would require a good deal of capital and a fleet of transport/drivers,an alternative might be a stray centre in specific areas,with driver/transport serving  two specific areas,also door/door,with birds for furtherst areas,getting home ,in stages,area to area,it might be workable and cheaper along these lines ,whatever you decide I wish you all the best.

[tommy d]

Right say you had a pigeon to pick up at Newcastle to go to Manchester. You would have to drive from Yorkshire to Newcastle [about 1 hour] from Newcastle to Manchester [about 2 hours] then back home to Yorkshire say another hour. That’s 4 hours minimal wage £5.52 that’s £22.08 wage doesn’t leave much for petrol if you charge £24.00 at £1.34 a litre. I think it would cost you more in petrol than you could charge for picking the bird up. and that’s without getting any wages.

[jimmy_84]

I think it is a great idea but like tommy d says it wouldn't be cost evective ar profitable for yourself you would need to do more thatn just pigeon carrying and you couldn't set it up a scale where you have people from other area's helping out because that would cost you more again we need the RPRA to speak with outher courier firms with proposal for them make amtrak realise they can be replaced at the moment they are all we have

[pjc]

the cost has to be set for each handleing member of the network.

i.e, fee for collector, fee for person who delivers it and maybe a fee for a trunking system to get birds between collector and deliverer as well as somebody to coordinate and administor the service.

 

Phil

[Roland]

the cost has to be set for each handleing member of the network.

i.e, fee for collector, fee for person who delivers it and maybe a fee for a trunking system to get birds between collector and deliverer as well as somebody to coordinate and administor the service.

 

Phil

 

Agree 100% with the realistic  logic and truth. Which again means a 'Franchise' or similar set up. One that is willing to put up with 'liveStock / Birds. Just look at the different countries that are having the same troubles!  - Ok some somewhere may have it taped - But the setting up, and cordinating such is also a bind. Then, as with any liverage, concern and then unpleasantries step in. Hence Amtrack! No wonder they have a monopoly... would you put up with whinine, whinging moaning git as to the likes of some fanciers?! I know I wouldn't, I'd have dumped a few, and dumped the service long before now!

Gollt fanciers on here even are posting where nad when they will be sending etc. with the end view of a blumming good moan.

When I was fitting carpets, and many were the moaners, mostly beyond our control, we packed up tools and buggred off... like my sons amd other fitters do now. When delivering to companies / household and 'Jobworth, and the moaning begade put on their' hats, I tell them to shut it or get stuffed. Just why oh why any one thinks that because there is a fee it entitles one to moan I know not. And more importantly care less.

And regardless ofDovescot and my banter I have no connection, or friend etc. that have any thing to do with Amtrack. Good job, for many would be told upfront. 'Pigeons' ... Nah can't be arsed. Crap happens, get over it, or do as I do mostly and get in the car and drive there... As some on here can contest.

[Guest shadow]

many people set up collection services when interlink pulled out most have failed as it was not cost effective and that was before the increases in petrol I used to collect and deliver within a 100 mile radius but gave it up after being messed about by people not in when you get there or the bird has just escaped as they were feeding that morning. bird still loose in the garden.  etc. etc. It was an enormous amount of hassle

[DOVEScot]

 

And regardless ofDovescot and my banter I have no connection, or friend etc. that have any thing to do with Amtrack. Good job, for many would be told upfront. 'Pigeons' ... Nah can't be arsed. Crap happens, get over it, or do as I do mostly and get in the car and drive there... As some on here can contest.

 

Aye you had me fooled Roland  :B :B :B ;D ;D ;D

And it's AMTRAK not AMTRAX or AMTRACK ;D ;D ;D

[jimmy_84]

AMTRAK

[DOVEScot]

AMTRAK

 

:B :B :B :B :B

[jimmy_84]

sorry about caps dunc just thought while you were correcting somebody wrongly would do the same LOL   ;)