CRAZY IDEA???

[Guest spin cycle]

i've had 4 strays in 4 days. 1 wingstamped beautifully, 1 illegible and 2 unstamped. now i know some orgs. have stray baskets but my club won't allow strays. so how about this. if an UNWINGSTAMPED stray enters your loft you would be allowed to apply for a' temporary transfer' that allowed you to race it (provided your marking com. passed it fit to race) . the bird would then, from the race, have the chance to go home or back to you or another loft. strays would move round country like this and hopefully get home. the temp. transfer would be issued by your marking com at basketing. strays could still be reported in the usual manner...and fanciers could avoid 'temporary transfer' by wingstamping correctly.  

[ChrisMaidment08]

very good idea would work

[Guest cloudview]

we can,t even put strays on our fed wagon bacause of defra ruling , ie all birds carried on transporter to vacinated  and papperwork on board to show  that, how would you prove they had been done , without alot of hassle trying to find out

[ChrisMaidment08]

this is one of things talked about today with rpra defra cannot stop birds in seperate accomadation on transporters as long as marked strays  but untill we all lobby our feds unions we go no were they will still say no to carrying them

[Guest spin cycle]

we can,t even put strays on our fed wagon bacause of defra ruling , ie all birds carried on transporter to vacinated  and papperwork on board to show  that, how would you prove they had been done , without alot of hassle trying to find out

 

see what you mean. i omitted to say that the stray must be race rubbered/ets ring when it enters your loft..this would provide evidence that the bird has been raced and has therefore been vaccinated previously.also that it had been trained and deemed fit to race by another marking com. the onus would be very much on the original owner on vaccination. hopefully we could convince defra that this was a responsible and bio secure way of solving a problem. after all carriers don't carry vacc. certs for the pigeons it carries and also they aren't individually inspected before transportation ( dead pigeons in boxes). have to agree that it has to be simple to work  

[just ask me]

does this mean u could win a race with the stray

[Guest smudger1964]

sorry to but in on your post if thats the case of having strays on the transporter you dont know if they got paramoxy......sellmaella ..........circovirus and so on why take that chance on your own birds let  alone other fanciers thats my thoughts. i think alot of my birds if i get a sray in it gos straght in a old shed no where by mine i no thay got the same  chance geting infections on the transpoter but hoping thay have been all vacinated, VACINATED IS THE KEY AND CLEAR STAMPING

[Guest spin cycle]

does this mean u could win a race with the stray

 

yes...it effectively gives you the right to race the bird as your own until it goes home or enters another loft. BUT if you didn't want your birds to 'fall foul ' of this practice all you would have to do is LEGIBLY (spelling?) wingstamp. a marking com. could not accept a 'temp. transfer' if ,in their opinion, they could read the wingstamp.

[just ask me]

 

yes...it effectively gives you the right to race the bird as your own until it goes home or enters another loft. BUT if you didn't want your birds to 'fall foul ' of this practice all you would have to do is LEGIBLY (spelling?) wingstamp. a marking com. could not accept a 'temp. transfer' if ,in their opinion, they could read the wingstamp.

 

so there notting to stop someone up the road  cathing a a youngster maybe first time out and even ifs hes stamped they can pull the fights and race them or even after they moult

[Guest shadow]

thats just what it is a crazy idea

[Guest spin cycle]

 

so there notting to stop someone up the road  cathing a a youngster maybe first time out and even ifs hes stamped they can pull the fights and race them or even after they moult

 

see your point...i use phone no. rings ...which could be abused. however would your marking com. pass a bird 'fit to fly' if it had had its flights pulled or badly moulted. remember the marking com. would have to pass the 'temp transfer' if they didn't like it they could refuse

[Ronnie]

 

yes...it effectively gives you the right to race the bird as your own until it goes home or enters another loft. BUT if you didn't want your birds to 'fall foul ' of this practice all you would have to do is LEGIBLY (spelling?) wingstamp. a marking com. could not accept a 'temp. transfer' if ,in their opinion, they could read the wingstamp.

 

so nothing stoping an individual from clocking the stray in his mates loft 50 mile short of yours?When someone comes to verifi it it all of a sudden went home.

[Guest spin cycle]

 

so nothing stoping an individual from clocking the stray in his mates loft 50 mile short of yours?When someone comes to verifi it it all of a sudden went home.

 

i'm sinking fast here but i'll give it a bit more. this is cheating and could happen anyway in normal racing. this individual could have his mates bird in an aviary or 'it went out this morning and hasn't come in yet'

[just ask me]

 

see your point...i use phone no. rings ...which could be abused. however would your marking com. pass a bird 'fit to fly' if it had had its flights pulled or badly moulted. remember the marking com. would have to pass the 'temp transfer' if they didn't like it they could refuse

 

yes but after moult and even if u pull them that grow back fairlly quick and putting strays on the transporter not a good idea i would not allow it

[Guest spin cycle]

sorry to but in on your post if thats the case of having strays on the transporter you dont know if they got paramoxy......sellmaella ..........circovirus and so on why take that chance on your own birds let  alone other fanciers thats my thoughts. i think alot of my birds if i get a sray in it gos straght in a old shed no where by mine i no thay got the same  chance geting infections on the transpoter but hoping thay have been all vacinated, VACINATED IS THE KEY AND CLEAR STAMPING

 

except people are not wingstamping at all and the rule is not being enforced...perhaps this would encourage more people to wingstamp correctly. as i said its as biosecure as couriers who carry no vacc. sheets....those expensive ybs you buy can be bumping along with uninspected strays from all over .

[frank-123]

stray in a basket with race birds why did it get lost in the first place?

maybe illness or its rubbish or both i would not want it in a basket with birds that are in good health

poor idea i think as well sorry

[Guest spin cycle]

stray in a basket with race birds why did it get lost in the first place?

maybe illness or its rubbish or both i would not want it in a basket with birds that are in good health

poor idea i think as well sorry

 

no need to be sorry....i only 'floated' it as an idea. the consesus seems to be that it is 'crazy' so i'll concede. better ideas on a postcard

[pjc]

ETS ring is not proof of vaccination as a lot use ETS for training

[Merlin]

 

Spin cycle I am not so sure its a bad idea,needs a little tighhtining up in places,but its at least an option which especially this season has seen the stray problem almoost reach epedemic proportions,do we not have a responsibility for our pigeons,because they are a.w.o.l it doesnt end there,how long do you think its going to be before these anti people get wind of this,or councils city and urban,the public squares,sea promenades,most public and lots of private buildings are awash with stary pigeons,our fed dropped approx50% of its convoy only last week end,do you think this amount of birds,have gone into some Bermuda Triangle,look at your own Fed,this is a problem which will come and haunt us eventually,and if there is any cahnce of getting these nearer home,we should be capable of doing it,without having to depend on the goodwill of a few fanciers.

[Guest]

 

no need to be sorry....i only 'floated' it as an idea. the consesus seems to be that it is 'crazy' so i'll concede. better ideas on a postcard

 

Spin Cycle, whether this is a good idea or a bad idea to me is irrelevant. I like your progressive style of thinking mate! Very refreshing! At least you are putting something forward for people to think about, play about with! Thats what the forum is For! Good effort and keep your ideas coming, however crazy you may think they are!

[ChrisMaidment08]

spin its not crazy at all

[Guest IB]

I do not think this idea is crazy at all, I suppose it is a good '1st try' way of getting a stray pigeon  home with a blanket rule to cover that. At the same time, I do not think many people would want to race a stray. Speaks volumes for your own birds if a stray starts beating them all home.    We have enough downers just now, ta very much.  ;D

[Guest chrisss]

 

Spin Cycle, whether this is a good idea or a bad idea to me is irrelevant. I like your progressive style of thinking mate! Very refreshing! At least you are putting something forward for people to think about, play about with! Thats what the forum is For! Good effort and keep your ideas coming, however crazy you may think they are!

 

could not agree more ;D ;D ;D,to me there are no such thing as a crazy idea,a few years ago some belgian guy split his cocks from his hens after one round,then put them together before marking each week,his mates must of thought he was crazy,that idea turned out well in the end ;D ;D ;D ;D,if we do not do something to help each other out,ref lost birds etc. the anti everything thats different mob, will jump all over us in the end,all ideas must be welcomed ,we as a sport need fresh thinking now most of the rules and regs were made for different [happier?] times

[Merlin]

Come on Spin Cycle jump in here with me, Set up an array of holding lofts/stations at various points around the Country,with someone in charge for birds to left in/an dout, Sort out birds on a regional basis,Transporter passing these lofts,or in proximity would call an dfetch birds home to its "regionional"holding loft,inter exchange on a weekly basis.

[pjc]

If you going to send them on the transporter and liberate them, I would sugest that they are liberated 10 min after the main lib and kept in a seperate basket.

If they are liberated with the rest they will follow the batch instead of thinking for themself and trying to find home.

 

Phil