we were the only people fropm the uk there b/w/f john was treated like his son ,there was flyers from all over holland/germany there that day...i met and talked to various national winners with the hartogs......in fact john was doing a deal with a german guy for his national winner gifted as an egg to the german guy, its a testement to mr hartogs masterbreeding thats left a legacy of birds still winning at top level,,,