well for me it was not on a race or anithing it was when i first had 2 pigeons i wanted a couple more i had myne out of the rabbit hutch flying and the brougth back a tipler i was pleased with it i was going YES YES!!! but when my dad said you do not want a tipler i will get u a pair of racers so i gave the tipler to someone close who kept pigeons and it turned out to be theres i got my races that day and i was even more thrilled.