bruno u say national birds have to think as they are with birds from all over the country, which national has birds from all over the country, if this was so there surely would be big birdage, i can't find my 2005 rpra rules but i am sure it stated if a organisation used the name "NATIONAL" it must be open to all rpra members, but this is now not in the 2006 rules????? , the 2 scottish national clubs are open to the whole of scotland, (a country)