i agree its hard to get anyone to take the places required to run organisations, and as it goes sometimes anyone can just say i'll do it and gets it, if only one stands then they are in, and by the members, only because there is no option, but as far as delegates go if u have a meeting to go through an agenda for a fed or shu council meeting and u mandate ur delegates to do so and so, and the dont i think all it would take is a vote of no confidence from the members to get them out, its not easy, the same some feds (like my own) just allow the officials to be shu delegates, this is also wrong and the reason being is as u say no one wants to be bothered, so let them do it and let them do as they please until something crops up u dont like and all hell gets loose, its a lot to do with the members frank, they must be prepaired to attend meetings and also make sure their delegates are told how to vote and put things forward at meetings, and also how to behave as they are representing ur organisation and the sport, i only wish i could be able to get to those shu meetings again, but age slows u down, its the getting there it was always good when they were held in glasgow and on a saturday as public transport was there which u cant get on sundays, etc, anyway i will be asking questions at our next fed council meeting, as i am a club delegate yet, we can go on all day and let all know what we feel about organisations etc on the forum, but it is our delegates and the organisations we must tell our feelings to. anyway we are still waiting for a lib from fife today so all the best.