I was unable to post this afternoon as it was quite busy in work. if you are unsure as to training your birds, yes I agree with pjc keep them in the loft, as for the valleys of Wales being close well yes we are, not everyone likes the thought of their name being aired on a chat forum and I for one will not do that. If the need is desperate to find out where the areas are then contact defra. anyone could have it and not report it, then you have the sensible ones that do.