i find it hard to beleive, that any succsesfull fanciers never treat for resp, in this day and age. thats the diff between our top men and the top men on the cont, they dont hide there treatments, it is if people over here are ashamed of using them, very few over here will tell you what they use they either dont want you to no incase you find the golden treatment, or they ashamed to tell. there is a thing called the magic bottle, it wont make bad pigeons good but it does make the good pigeons perform better beacause you need the perfect health to obtain the top results , and the day of the fresh air clean water and good beans are gone.