don,t knock the guy you don,t ask you don,t get. one of my mates has some hommers he got from a local fancier to fly with and raise pouters (horsemen).all the yb,s came direct out of this fanciers stock loft. i thought that was very generous of this fancier .when i 1st seen the hommers at my mates i noticed 1 of the hommers standing out like a sore thumb.he then told me the breeding of this bird .i then asked for it about 10 times.before i got it .i then phoned the fancier that bred it just to make sure of breeding .he was surprised to say the least with my phone call but assured me of breeding of this bird. as i was straight up with it the fancier said best of luck with him i hope he breeds you a winner.YOU DON,T ASK YOU DON,T GET