as a 12 year old with a few mate raiding gardens for apples .this old guy came out slow but determined with a walking stick as an aid. so we only needed to get on to the garden wall .so we did giving him aload of cheek and back chat as we did. as he got close to us standing on his wall full of lip as you are at 12 or13. all in one movement he moved forward moving walking sick in his hand to grip it at the bottom .using it like a shepherd's crook and hooking one of my mates back in to his garden to be whacked with it . the rest of us near fell of the wall in shock ;D ;D ;D