Thanks for the warm welcome I have 1 racing pigeon and 4 tumblers im looking to expand on that but I want to invest in a proper loft first. What I have at the moment I bought off the guy who sold me the tumblers it is a box type loft if you can call it that it has 8 boxes/perches plus another three inverted v shaped perches so I guess its good for 11 birds I had a 3 other racers but when I let them out they never came back (I think they were slightly too old)