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everyone to there own quite right for me I test first treat if needed probably saved me many headaches and lots of money and my birds health long term :emoticon-0140-rofl: :emoticon-0140-rofl:

20 minutes from vets no waiting about treatment immediate and if went through birds that quick then surely the weakness is within the flock already probably by been propped up with medication junkies don't run marathons

To detect anything that may need monitoring canker levels may be high , worms may be present , e.coli may be high , bad bug build up , why do people go for health tests ???? purely to detect any abnormalities , then you can proceed knowing your birds are healthy

No as were all genetically different some will be stronger than others some weaker two dwarfs can have a healthy normal child and two normal adults could have a dwarf child , and with age your immune system gets stronger then as you get older weakens again so somewhere in the middle you'd be at your prime , but genes can make you either weak or strong , jmo

why would you need to swab them all ?????? they all live as a flock a colony all exposed to same treatment , management and water supply and challenges to there health , it's well known most ailments are passed through the water or via there excrement or via the loft environment so as a whole one bird any random bird will represent the good or bad within the flock no-one would be able to afford to test every individual of there loft . All your doing is getting a good reference from the droppings of the whole loft and swabs from one , remember 99% of the time I'm testing healthy robust birds with good management . It's like this when they test food many different ingredients in a stew but they test a sample as everything in same pot has had same exposure and pose the same risk , you can buy a cake but I'm sure to eat the full cake would give you belly ache , but one slice will represent the cake as is consistent throughout , same for my birds One bird represents my colony's health worked for many years and will work for many more

I simply collect droppings from each box / perch then these are mixed into a paste , I take one bird the doggiest looking one in the loft , a full test costs £30 probably far less than what it would cost for 1 course of medication . Remember every loft has it's own unique resistance to ailments and as a flock they will all come into contact with each other ( they all drink from same drinker ). So I think my method I've used since 1992 in keeping my flock health is working I've still got birds going back to my originals in 92/93 that are winning now , never treated for paratyphoid and why would you treat birds for something they never had or got .

that's fantastic that will stop you getting last years flu virus , but not this years mutated virus and side effects of flu jab is most get flu :emoticon-0137-clapping: , hmmmmm I'm supposed to get it due to been susceptible to pleurisy and pneumonia and been asthmatic , but think I'll take me chances

Well if they have then I'd imagine they wouldn't have many birds as they'd loose them , there birds wouldn't successfully raise more birds so I'd imagine there loft be eradicated very quickly . You can't prevent illness or disease , if it was possible no-one would ail or be sick , I certainly wouldn't want to go for a course of chemotherapy just to prevent cancer that I haven't got and I certainly don't take antibiotics every day just incase I get ill and nope I don't take headache tablets before I get a headache . Pigeons that have good natural immunity don't need propping up with the medicine cabinet .Your flocks health is only as good as the weakest pigeon in your loft , keep propping up the weak ones and there be nothing left worth keeping . Treating creates false form and birds that ail more often. Test then Treat when necessary not for what they aint got or are very unlikely to get .

I'd cull the lot , you can't treat for something you haven't got .

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save yourself as lot of guessing and get them tested then treat what needs treating , will save you money and save your birds from unnecessary treatment ,I will never treat for paratyphoid no point in exposing healthy birds to paratyphoid unless you want a flock of carriers :emoticon-0179-headbang:

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Tylan = Vet as a POM , but the problem lies in either poor ventilation or over crowding you need to adjust the birds environment so doesn't reoccur , otherwise treatment wont cure the problem that still exists .

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get them bagged up

one there dry take them out or they'll sweat hang them in a shed

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