im more than willing to invite any flyer to my loft to collect pigeons it just the fact that there are alot ov flyers that think your pulling the wool over their eyes and as far as peds go if your good with pigeons your good its not that bit ov paper in the crate ever wk think about it ive had pigeons from flyers that say oh there no good.well im sorry i dont think this is true cos ive won with these pigeons that are meant to be no good alot ov flyers think if they buy the best they will win well its wrong any fit pigeon will have a chance in winning