Well rose i,m talking ,otterburn 80+miles for my 1st and 120 for my 2nd race , and i race mine practically right out to wakefield which is 192 to me then they go to the young bird nat which is 266 miles to me abnd i don,t have problems with that , i stop what i like and the rest keep going last year i had 15 at leicester y/b nat and got 13 home and i was well in at that 74 th open sorry