agreeDOVEScot, I think this is what the members only forum really was meant for, but then youngsters are members also anyone can register and become a member so dont really see the point of that one, if it is possible to get one as u explain could be a possibility, but not sure u can, i agree sometimes in this world of 2 day parts of free speach as regarding culling etc is not so free, as it could cause problems, but i am sure the webmaster will be able to sort things out and if he says its ok for those disscusstions then good, and he will put the threads back on site, I have just put them into a ITEMS TO BE LOOKED INTO folder, they are not deleted as we are only taking precautions, and the webmaster will look into them,