SHU AND RPRA MEETING TODAY IN GRETNA

[me]

 

No offence intended Me, what I actually said was you mixing the issues led  to an absurd question, and not an absurd Me as you are inferring.

 

There are already cases of existing members of organisations deciding against dual membership .... of clubs and feds in Scotland ...  from simple duplication into .... to actual membership of.

 

For their reasons, you'd be best asking them, for no matter what I say you'll probably disagree anyway.

 

Your last piece was unnecessary. Said before, your resorting to personal insult is usually a sign that your info is wrong ... again. So please don't bother responding, I've nothing further to add and better things to do with my time.

 

Well said Bruno its refreshing to get an answer as honest as that believe "me" I know exactly what you mean!

 

 

[THE FIFER]

 

 

on which particular motion do you mean fifer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

To be serious for a minute it is not my intention to cause anyone any discomfort if you don't want to reveal the way you voted on certain issues thats fine I respect that point of view I'll leave it there Fifer. All the best fifer lad!

 

which is right , how we vote etc at meetings or discuss is our affairs, and people who ask those questions already know the answer, so why ask, its not the thing to let all the world know how u are votinng is it, cheers for ur comments, all the best.

 

 

[Guest]

Rose you have to understand this is not as clear cut as some would have you believe this is a witch hunt because we left and went to the RPRA read my last post to doodrus that is only a little bit of what they are doing to try and stop members moving because they are seeing through them now

[me]

 

which is right , how we vote etc at meetings or discuss is our affairs, and people who ask those questions already know the answer, so why ask, its not the thing to let all the world know how u are votinng is it, cheers for ur comments, all the best.

 

 

Actually fifer I don't have any problem about anyone knowing how I vote at agm's of course you'll have to find out who "me" is right enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

[Guest]

Thats fine Fifer but you have come on and slated the RPRA and the cumbria officals since you voted to move is that not double standards and you kid on you are not taking sides with all that stuf the delegates are your voice so did your fed tell you to give the president of the shu a lawyers letter or was that just you?and if so why

[Guest]

YES

[me]

 

Think you are right think it is about time the 2 unions worked together when it comes to something like this under rpra rules cant you be suspended if you dont pay your subs in a club even if you have paid them in another club or could you still carry on flying in the club you where fully paid up in if you cant and you could be suspended surely if it works at club level it should be the same between the 2 unions

 

Know your heart is in the right place Rose but I think we have to get this in some prespective. Some of these guys have been banned by clubs who are affiliated to the shu but who had indicated before any decisions were made they were no longer willing to be members of the shu. So the rules say you can't be a member yet these guys want people to pay fees to an organistion they are de facto no longer allowed to be members of!

 

Another point is some of these same organistions have received thousands upon thousands of pounds from public bodies yet they are trying to crucify a few individuals for a few tens of pounds. "me" personally I think its over the top.

 

Sooner rather than later they will not be enough doomen left in Scotland to have a good aruguement amongst ourselfs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

 

[THE FIFER]

Thats fine Fifer but you have come on and slated the RPRA and the cumbria officals since you voted to move is that not double standards and you kid on you are not taking sides with all that stuf the delegates are your voice so did your fed tell you to give the president of the shu a lawyers letter or was that just you?and if so why

 

 

no the reason is because all u get on here from some is slagging the shu so whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and what u are talking about my fed telling me to give the shu president a lawyers letter, afraid ur a bit muddled, was never told by my fed or ever gave a lawyers letter to shu, so u must be dreaming, and as far as genuine fanciers going with the rpra, i have no problem with that and still have a lot of friends who did, just look at our panel for our quiz night, and as stated all welcome,  

 

[doos r us]

if both unions had acted at the time of the split what you say probibly would not have happend would you be willing to accept a member into your club knowing he owes money to a club 3 miles away but is a member of a diffrent union after all he might end up doing the same to you    iam the secy this year mabee i will go on holiday with the members money and join the club in the next town no right minded person wuold agree this is acceptable so lets get it sorted   i am sure the rpra have much the same rules regarding debts as the shu      

[THE FIFER]

if both unions had acted at the time of the split what you say probibly would not have happend would you be willing to accept a member into your club knowing he owes money to a club 3 miles away but is a member of a diffrent union after all he might end up doing the same to you    iam the secy this year mabee i will go on holiday with the members money and join the club in the next town no right minded person wuold agree this is acceptable so lets get it sorted   i am sure the rpra have much the same rules regarding debts as the shu      

 

 

what some dont realise is its not the shu that suspended them it was the fed and clubs which they are due money to for rings and fees that did it and are at the loss of the money for rinngs which were ordered and issued to them, and they attended the feds agm and voted on the next years events and officials, then walked away without resigning or paying for rings, which they handed back but the clubs had to pay for them, i am talking about my own local area, dont know the other area reasons, but surely if anybody sits in at an agm and votes on the following years data and officials and orders rings they are duty bound to pay their dues and rings, thats all i want to say on the subject, as i dont think any club or fed whether shu or rpra would allow this.

 

[Guest]

to doorus what you say is perfectly correct but your are missing the main point you cant dept suspend a member/club untill the followin agm so thats the first rule broken and they just carried on with what they wanted i hope you never fall foul of them you wont be alowed to even defend yousele especialy if you dont even know your suspended

[doos r us]

i know what yuor saying frank but my point is based on what happend jan 07 not 2 years ago iam not talking about the 30 odd but a recent case  i believe the 30 odd suspensions were for differing things my points are only about debts and how after all this time its still not been sorted

[me]

if both unions had acted at the time of the split what you say probibly would not have happend would you be willing to accept a member into your club knowing he owes money to a club 3 miles away but is a member of a diffrent union after all he might end up doing the same to you    iam the secy this year mabee i will go on holiday with the members money and join the club in the next town no right minded person wuold agree this is acceptable so lets get it sorted   i am sure the rpra have much the same rules regarding debts as the shu      

 

funny enough doosrus the scenario you have used about the guy going on holiday with the money actually happened in an organistion I used to be a member of many years ago. Even funnier no one was banned and no one was debt suspended.

 

You and I know this is not so much about secrataries stealing money and more to do with a parting of the ways. We should either accept this and let people get on with racing their doos or try and work to bring the ever dwinding numbers in both groups back together. What we should not do is to try and penalise members of our organisation the shu who have never been debt suspended by anyone, for been members of what is undoubtably the premier pigeon orgnisation in the UK the RPRA.

 

 

[Guest]

Fifer look at the botom of all your posts the bit about the delagets thats the point i was making you were their too represent the fife fed so did they mandate (your words)you to give them a lawyers letter i dont think so! double standards so therefor i dont think any one can take anything you say as the truth! i expect this to be removed i just hope the good shu members see it first!

[THE FIFER]

 

Do you mean the clubs pulled out of being shu members after the agm and decided to join the rpra

 

 

yes rose and they sat inn the agm and voted on the following years data, and didnt resign.or pay for rings they ordered from their fed and was issued with and handed back, and what a lot dont know is they didnt leave to go with the rpra they left to go it alone no union, but found out that could not work so then decided to join the rpra,

 

[THE FIFER]

Fifer look at the botom of all your posts the bit about the delagets thats the point i was making you were their too represent the fife fed so did they mandate (your words)you to give them a lawyers letter i dont think so! double standards so therefor i dont think any one can take anything you say as the truth! i expect this to be removed i just hope the good shu members see it first!

 

 

still dont know what ur on about a lawyers letter from my fed or what lawyer,  i never had a lawyers letter to give to the shu, what u on about, and no i was not mandated for anything, as like most my fed would not have meetings they just let delegates do what they wanted, and i even tried calling meetings for this but no one would come, as they said we never do that.

 

 

[Guest]

my point exactly doosrus how can you dept suspend before the next agm they might pay before that or be out the sport or something the rosyth club only decided to move after the fife fed passed the motion that fifer was going mad about the agm was about nov./dec so how are they dept suspenede before the season even starts never mind the following agm?? impossible so any union that can come up with that cannot be trusted to believe they caried out the proper procedures at anytime

[Guest]

we will get no where fifer untill you ans. my first quest did you come to the front of the stage and offer benny martin(shu pres.) a lawers letter ?

[me]

 

 

yes rose and they sat inn the agm and voted on the following years data, and didnt resign.or pay for rings they ordered from their fed and was issued with and handed back, and what a lot dont know is they didnt leave to go with the rpra they left to go it alone no union, but found out that could not work so then decided to join the rpra,

 

The East of Scotland fed was the same Fifer but in reverse they voted to go to the RPRA but some members refused to accept it did they pay their fed dues did they get suspended by shu for not paying their dues ? On a lesser scale a similar thing happened with the Glasgow fed some members who funnily enough have now been joined by THE PRESIDENT OF THE SCOTTISH HOMING UNION did not pay their dues because the vote went against them should they not be debt suspended?

 

The whole point is treating everyone the same no matter if  you like them or not when you start making up the rules to suit yourself thats when it all falls down.

 

 

[doos r us]

but if you tender a letter of resignation the rule is you pay all dues and give up your rights to all club assets

[THE FIFER]

i know what yuor saying frank but my point is based on what happend jan 07 not 2 years ago iam not talking about the 30 odd but a recent case  i believe the 30 odd suspensions were for differing things my points are only about debts and how after all this time its still not been sorted

 

 

thats right its not about the rescent rosyth thing, the suspentions i am on about is those ones, ok frank, and yes ur right frank about how long it takes to suspend one, but u have put ure foot in it as this is what the rpra was told when they said that members jioned the rpra before they got word of them being suspended yes because as u say they dont get suispended ti the next agm, so tell the rpra that, cheers m8.

 

 

[Guest]

so if they tendered a resignation then they dont owe a penny so how can you dept susp.them

[THE FIFER]

 

The East of Scotland fed was the same Fifer but in reverse they voted to go to the RPRA but some members refused to accept it did they pay their fed dues did they get suspended by shu for not paying their dues ? On a lesser scale a similar thing happened with the Glasgow fed some members who funnily enough have now been joined by THE PRESIDENT OF THE SCOTTISH HOMING UNION did not pay their dues because the vote went against them should they not be debt suspended?

 

The whole point is treating everyone the same no matter if  you like them or not when you start making up the rules to suit yourself thats when it all falls down.

 

 

dont know much about the other feds me as i am only interested in my own, so cant argue about them. and all it would take is for the 2 unions to get togeather and sort it out one way or the other, and get on with things,

 

 

[Guest]

your behind with your imformation fifer the shu were willing to forego the rest it was just the rosyth situation they were concerned about panic if you ask me they dont have the backing off the big fed in scotland are they woried about the possibilty of some of them going aswell? or others in fife say leven club after all it was the chairmans casting vote that stoped that if iam right still i may be wrong because wont ans, my second ques. thats your porogitive fifer

[Guest]

Thats whats hapened fifer but the outcome didnt suit some so why do you keep going on about it sort it out one way or other your words fifer its sorted but ill bet the shu wont let it go