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[Guest strapper]

i think there are too many personality clashes on here(which i feel will never change)and therefore there will always be  an edge to some threads.

the constant belief is that things are being covered up?...well one way is to have a thread where questions can be answered say once a week?..where anyone who over steps the mark with abuse or threats can be removed from their right to be involved in that thread.

we could call it ...the honesty thread?

where all the forum acts like a mod ,where by they all agree to abide by set rules...no threats and abuse and no personal attacks.

i feel that then the site could move on from this constant bitching and any thoughts of covering up anything.

no one is imune from feeling angry or curious over some threads so lets have it all out in the open and try to get this site to a better level then we find it is right now.

im no angel ,i just feel its sad that we cant all find a solution  to this dilema.

 

[Guest]

I presume this site is owned by Richard Sanderson and Gemma.

We have hypocritical moderators on here who state that members should NOT put their twopenny worth in just to add fuel to the fire. Yet here we have an instance to prove my point. Grizzle hen has stated that the issue in question is being investigated and that the thread should remain open. So WHY are you putting your twopenny worth in Mr White? Or is this another instance of one rule for the general membership and another for the Moderators.

I am fully aware that we are all individuals and have different opinions on various matters, and that's what makes the world go round. But if we, as members, are expected to ALL sing from the same hymn sheet (the rules of this site) then I think it only fair that so do certain moderators. These rules are here for you to abide by as well, or do you, as moderators, feel you have a divine right to be above the rules. I am sure there are many members of this site, who, if given the chance, would push the lock/remove button on certain moderators for some of the decisions that they make, and just because it doesn't meet with their own personal opinion/criteria. Many topics on here are removed/locked far to hastily, and cause animosity, because of "trigger happy" moderators.

[jimmy white]

yes we indeed sing from the same song sheet, , if you read the  rules you will see that mods are ordinary members selected for their moderating skills,[but come under the same rules,as ordinary members,,,," mods work together" to make this site run as smooth as possible , we have , lately,  had a very smooth running forum, well liked by most,im quite sure many members appreciate this , but in the last few days ,indeed,   some shocking posts have been posted which have no place on this forum [agreed by many members] some of these posts have come from very devious people working in very devious ways , the moderators have put in vast amount of  hours  and  work, sometimes to the point of exhaustion, to seek out these devious persons ,  in my opinion , quite simply ,why cause trouble,, this is a great pigeon  forum, enjoyed by many, why indeed spoil it for the" many".  pigeons are a   most interesting  , and  wonderfull hobby , we see fanciers day in and day out ,helping in most charities, they can be the most caring of people ,and  most, indeed are,!!

 

in proverbs 18 v 7, from the good book it  says ,, "a fool,s  mouth is his destruction,and his lips are the snare of his soul",

 

i beleive this to be true ,,,,,and  as many might  find   hard to beleive , i beleive firmly in the good book ,,,,the bible .

[Guest Freebird]

 

Chris,

It is not about freedom of speech. I am all for freedom of speech but there are too many agenda's on here. There are people who go out of their way to be contraversial or to cause bother to even up scores in their opinion. I  personally keep pigeons for enjoyment and have returned to this great sport after a long while out due to work and family committments. I come on here for information and contact with genuine pigeon fanciers but there are some who are more interested in spouting crap and trying to take up some unfounded crusade and just end up irritating people. As for my planet it is inhabited by intellegent lifeforms unlike some of the threads on here. I work for an organisation where I have to manage people. One of my biggest frustrations is when people winge about working conditions and say things like ' i hate this place' and 'this place is sh*t' or ' i hate it here'. My answer to that is ' it can't be that bad as you chose to come here every day, nobody forces you, you make the decision to get out of bed every day and come here so you cant hate it that much as you chose to come in every day'. If i didnt like my job as (i have done in the past ) i leave and get another job, simple. It is a bit like that on here if you are not happy go elsewhere but close the door on the way out. There are too many martyrs for my liking. At the end of the day that is only my opinion and as you have stated everyone is entitled to their opinion and freedom of speech is something our fore-fathers fought hard for in order that we can express ourselves.

 

Paul.

I see you take the simple approach to management then (bunny) if it's "sh*t" or they "hate it" then surely you as a manager should be looking at why and resolving their issues and improving the working environment with a view to attracting the best quality personnel. I believe this thread has the same purpose and if problems are discussed openly and resolved properly then it can only be good for the future of the site.

[grizzle_hen]

I presume this site is owned by Richard Sanderson and Gemma.

We have hypocritical moderators on here who state that members should NOT put their twopenny worth in just to add fuel to the fire. Yet here we have an instance to prove my point. Grizzle hen has stated that the issue in question is being investigated and that the thread should remain open. So WHY are you putting your twopenny worth in Mr White? Or is this another instance of one rule for the general membership and another for the Moderators.

I am fully aware that we are all individuals and have different opinions on various matters, and that's what makes the world go round. But if we, as members, are expected to ALL sing from the same hymn sheet (the rules of this site) then I think it only fair that so do certain moderators. These rules are here for you to abide by as well, or do you, as moderators, feel you have a divine right to be above the rules. I am sure there are many members of this site, who, if given the chance, would push the lock/remove button on certain moderators for some of the decisions that they make, and just because it doesn't meet with their own personal opinion/criteria. Many topics on here are removed/locked far to hastily, and cause animosity, because of "trigger happy" moderators.

 

I like the phrase "trigger happy" but in terms of locking topics I can see slightly where you might be coming from. The one thing you have to remember about threads, say those which are quite politically or where a couple of members are having a heated argument with some abuse thrown in, we have to try and judge when its the best time to lock a topic, and there might be sometimes where we lock it too late, either from not noticing the topic or from no moderator being online. But still, we have to try and decide if the topic is going to get out of hand and whether to jump in and be "trigger happy" as you say or leave it and then it does get out of hand.

 

Sometimes if a thread is locked quickly (and we will try to put up an explanation) we may have received various pms or reported threads that members won't know about and from these 'complaints' we may decide to lock the thread.

 

But its like I always say, you can't please everyone, we may lock a topic, say the one on which is best SHU or RPRA, clearly a political thread, now as mods we were aware of the thread and realise that it could cause problems, the fifer posted a couple of times to remind members to keep it civil and lets not turning it into SHU or RPRA bashing, members seemed to ignore this and it was locked with an explanation. And there will be some members that will accept this and be 'good on you' but then there will be others, who will be annoyed that the thread was locked.

 

So remember if something is removed quite quickly there will be a valid reason, probably x number of pms and reported threads complaining about it.

[jimmy white]

May I suggest, that if certain individuals feel strongly about certain things, they claim to be happening on this site, that they do not like, then, why not GO AND JOIN ANOTHER SITE And leave the members who enjoy this site, get on with it

 

i would firmly endorse this post, we have a great site, let us appreciate the good it does,   it has helped many in this great hobby of pigeon keeping, and long may it continue to do so good luck to all in the comming season

[Guest chrisss]

 

i would firmly endorse this post, we have a great site, let us appreciate the good it does,   it has helped many in this great hobby of pigeon keeping, and long may it continue to do so good luck to all in the comming season

 

its this kind of thinking that is destroying pigeon racing, as if you take this to its logial conclusion,this is what is happening with clubs i/e we hate the way you do things we are off to form another club] we have a MEMBERSHIP on this site not a collection of nodding sheep who are willing to agree with everything the likes of you say do, this site is very much like a large [very dysfunctional] family we will never agree with everything that s done on site,the very most you can hope for is to try and keep it polite[ish]

[stunner_]

i have been making this point for years the likes of mr white are the gents that sit behind you acting the part of serious fancier but is in fact the type that is really bringing the sport to ruin the idea that he preaches are not what he really thinks are they jim  the impression of poor jim no not so but in fact fly jim   :o

[Blue Chequer Pied]

I see you take the simple approach to management then (bunny) if it's "sh*t" or they "hate it" then surely you as a manager should be looking at why and resolving their issues and improving the working environment with a view to attracting the best quality personnel. I believe this thread has the same purpose and if problems are discussed openly and resolved properly then it can only be good for the future of the site.

 

Trouble is that no matter what you do you cannot keep everybody happy. Some people think the world revolves round them and that the world owes them a living. I do all I can to improve the atmosphere and working conditions and I reward and recognise good performance. In general the working environment would improve if the couple of moaners would stop bringing everyone else down with their winging. Most people dont want to hear it. Every work place has them just look around you know who they are. Some people need to take a long hard look at what is going on in the wider world an appreciate what they have got. At the end of the day there is a job to be done and some cant grasp that. I will say that the people I have referred to are very much in the minority and most relish coming in and doing a good job and take a great pride in what they do, but alas that will never be everybody.

You are right things should be discussed openly but there are too many who just want to cause bother and wind people up. I personally would not get involved if I was so opposed to everything that goes on. Free speech comes hand in hand with freewill nobody is forced to 'put up with this' so to speak.

 

Paul.

[pigeondan]

I presume this site is owned by Richard Sanderson and Gemma.

We have hypocritical moderators on here who state that members should NOT put their twopenny worth in just to add fuel to the fire. Yet here we have an instance to prove my point. Grizzle hen has stated that the issue in question is being investigated and that the thread should remain open. So WHY are you putting your twopenny worth in Mr White? Or is this another instance of one rule for the general membership and another for the Moderators.

I am fully aware that we are all individuals and have different opinions on various matters, and that's what makes the world go round. But if we, as members, are expected to ALL sing from the same hymn sheet (the rules of this site) then I think it only fair that so do certain moderators. These rules are here for you to abide by as well, or do you, as moderators, feel you have a divine right to be above the rules. I am sure there are many members of this site, who, if given the chance, would push the lock/remove button on certain moderators for some of the decisions that they make, and just because it doesn't meet with their own personal opinion/criteria. Many topics on here are removed/locked far to hastily, and cause animosity, because of "trigger happy" moderators.

 

Do you honestly believe that Lenwadebob or are you just the same as the rest by being a hypocrite in adding these views?

 

Can I come on your site and ask for the truth or will I be told the matter has been discussed and is now closed and any further comments and you will be removed from the site?

[joe61]

 

I like the phrase "trigger happy" but in terms of locking topics I can see slightly where you might be coming from. The one thing you have to remember about threads, say those which are quite politically or where a couple of members are having a heated argument with some abuse thrown in, we have to try and judge when its the best time to lock a topic, and there might be sometimes where we lock it too late, either from not noticing the topic or from no moderator being online. But still, we have to try and decide if the topic is going to get out of hand and whether to jump in and be "trigger happy" as you say or leave it and then it does get out of hand.

 

Sometimes if a thread is locked quickly (and we will try to put up an explanation) we may have received various pms or reported threads that members won't know about and from these 'complaints' we may decide to lock the thread.

 

But its like I always say, you can't please everyone, we may lock a topic, say the one on which is best SHU or RPRA, clearly a political thread, now as mods we were aware of the thread and realise that it could cause problems, the fifer posted a couple of times to remind members to keep it civil and lets not turning it into SHU or RPRA bashing, members seemed to ignore this and it was locked with an explanation. And there will be some members that will accept this and be 'good on you' but then there will be others, who will be annoyed that the thread was locked.

 

So remember if something is removed quite quickly there will be a valid reason, probably x number of pms and reported threads complaining about it.

 

So tell me gemma, where did the motorbike thread go i put here yesterday evening ?  did you take it upon yourself to remove it, it was nice to have some good comments on here, i see Richard also does not come on here alot anymore, is he fed up with the site arguments?

You let certain people post what derogatory remarks they want, and when someone defends themselves you ban the victim, the instigator is then left laughing at evryone because of this, you do not regulate this site enough or properly, you seem to have let things like insults and threats go unpunished soley because someone else is pulling the strings maybe !!!

I think others have the fingers in the pie here like fund raisers and other third partys.. so tell me gemma who actually runs this forum????    

 

Can you also tell me why you have a global moderator in someone who actually runs a rival forum ???   thats not good bussiness sense is it ?    maybe the person has been given the position to protect his own interests or interests of others.. and you know exactly what i mean by this.

Do we the members get a say in who we would like to nominate for the position ?

 

 

 

oh happy days

 

 

[grizzle_hen]

 

So tell me gemma, where did the motorbike thread go i put here yesterday evening ?  did you take it upon yourself to remove it, it was nice to have some good comments on here, i see Richard also does not come on here alot anymore, is he fed up with the site arguments?

You let certain people post what derogatory remarks they want, and when someone defends themselves you ban the victim, the instigator is then left laughing at evryone because of this, you do not regulate this site enough or properly, you seem to have let things like insults and threats go unpunished sole because someone else is pulling the strings maybe !!!

I think others have the fingers in the pie here like fund raisers and other third partys.. so tell me gemma who actually runs this forum????    

 

Can you also tell me why you have a global moderator in someone who actually runs a rival forum ???   thats not good bussiness sense is it ?    maybe the person has been given the potition to protect his own interests or interests of others.. and you know exactly what i mean by this.

Do we the members get a say in who we would like to nominate for the potition ?

 

 

 

oh happy days

 

 

I've just looked and your motorbike thread is on chit-chat, don't know who moved it but I'm sure they had a good reason, remember you need to subscribe to chit-chat to view it. I can move it to members photos if you would prefer?

 

Richard is still here, remember he is at work all day so looks at the forum in the evening. Also he has others things to look after on the site, for example the mini-sites, people who are having trouble logging in or joining the site etc... so these things can take up his time sometimes.

 

No-one is pulling any strings, Richard runs the site and he trusts me and the other moderators and The Fifer as admin to look after the site too. The issue of insults etc is being dealt with as I have been saying, what some people don't understand is they dealing with these things takes time, as we need to contact those involved, go through posts and decide the best course of action. There are no third-parties involved or those that have their fingers in the pie, as you say.

 

In relation to appointing Vallance Lofts as a global moderator, he is a good member of the forum, we don't see his forum as a rival as we are all the same and should aim to work together. And with Vallance's experience of running a forum he will be a great help to this site and offer his own insights into how to deal with problems etc.

 

Also the point of nominating a moderator, has been raised on the welcome topic and someone quite rightly said that if we nominated who to be a moderator should we then nominate who can be a member of the forum.

[Guest Freebird]

 

Trouble is that no matter what you do you cannot keep everybody happy. Some people think the world revolves round them and that the world owes them a living. I do all I can to improve the atmosphere and working conditions and I reward and recognise good performance. In general the working environment would improve if the couple of moaners would stop bringing everyone else down with their winging. Most people dont want to hear it. Every work place has them just look around you know who they are. Some people need to take a long hard look at what is going on in the wider world an appreciate what they have got. At the end of the day there is a job to be done and some cant grasp that. I will say that the people I have referred to are very much in the minority and most relish coming in and doing a good job and take a great pride in what they do, but alas that will never be everybody.

You are right things should be discussed openly but there are too many who just want to cause bother and wind people up. I personally would not get involved if I was so opposed to everything that goes on. Free speech comes hand in hand with freewill nobody is forced to 'put up with this' so to speak.

 

Paul.

Yep you are correct. No matter what, you will never please everyone. You can not keep everyone right, only yourself. I agree there are some who only want to make trouble but I feel the majority on here are good decent people who want to share their knowledge of pigeons ( and other things ). Unfortunately in every walk of life that involves more than one human being, disputes etc. will crop up and in the end all things being equal and everyone getting a chance to air their views usually sorts the wheat from the chaff. As you said previously our forefathers fought for freedom of speech etc. etc. so let's not take it for granted and use this gift of language to sort out our differences and enlighten each other regarding the truth. People make mistakes ( if they don't then they usually make nothing ) so if they have truly learned from them and make the effort to change their course then that is good enough for me. Sorry for rabbiting on ( that's if you are still awake )(bunny)(bunny)(bunny)

[joe61]

Nicely explained gemma thank you for answering my questions, Vallance is a valuable member to this site and yes all forums should work together.. so why are you so against pigeon basics. net ??

 

 

 

oh happy days

 

dont contradict yourself please.

[grizzle_hen]

There has already been a statement made about pigeonbasics.net

 

To all fanciers and friends, it has come to our attention that this site and all it stands for is being copied and undermined. Accordingly, we are seeking urgent legal advice regarding the passing off by pigeonbasics.net in order to close down that site. We regret any inconvenience or confusion that pigeonbasics.net and it's operators have caused you.

 

At Pigeonbasics.com our aim is to bring to you the most concise, unbiased and informative 'pigeon content'. We endeavour to increase awareness and to promote the sport of pigeon racing to a wider audience, encouraging newcomers and retaining interest to already dedicated sports men and women. We strive to broadcast only the most up to date and accurate information with the utmost respect to our fellow pigeon racing devotees.

 

 

[stunner_]

 

Do you honestly believe that Lenwadebob or are you just the same as the rest by being a hypocrite in adding these views?

 

Can I come on your site and ask for the truth or will I be told the matter has been discussed and is now closed and any further comments and you will be removed from the site?

umm pigeondan dovescot now as youer removed from other site due to abuseing email address.s im sure they would welcome you with open arms the bumps in carpet you refered to have i beleave; been removed back to here were they come from in the first place

 

[stunner_]

There has already been a statement made about pigeonbasics.net what you really mean is this site is open to questions about this one and indeed has asked a lot of them   i also beleave they own the pigeonbasic logo and therefor could in fact stop you useing it themselfs

 

 

 

 

 

[grizzle_hen]

I thought you weren't going to post until you spoke to either myself or Richard on the phone?

[Blue Chequer Pied]

Yep you are correct. No matter what, you will never please everyone. You can not keep everyone right, only yourself. I agree there are some who only want to make trouble but I feel the majority on here are good decent people who want to share their knowledge of pigeons ( and other things ). Unfortunately in every walk of life that involves more than one human being, disputes etc. will crop up and in the end all things being equal and everyone getting a chance to air their views usually sorts the wheat from the chaff. As you said previously our forefathers fought for freedom of speech etc. etc. so let's not take it for granted and use this gift of language to sort out our differences and enlighten each other regarding the truth. People make mistakes ( if they don't then they usually make nothing ) so if they have truly learned from them and make the effort to change their course then that is good enough for me. Sorry for rabbiting on ( that's if you are still awake )(bunny)(bunny)(bunny)

 

 

Still awake. I remember being told by someone that they had never failed at anything in their lives. Yes he had made mistakes and got things wrong along the way but he had learned from their mistakes and in his opinion if he had learned something it could not go down as a failure. You are right in what you say it is the ones that dont learn and keep making mistakes that are an issue. Very much like pigeons.

 

Paul.

 

[joe61]

I thought you weren't going to post until you spoke to either myself or Richard on the phone?

 

 

So Gemma, its one rule for you and one for everyone else who does comply with how you run things... and how would another forum undermine yourselves when you just stated you should all work together ?

 

I think you are contradicting yourself with regards this issue, I believe others are influencing your judgement calls regarding this forum.

 

 

oh happy days

 

 

[stunner_]

that is correct and on the matters i wish to discuss with you i wont  but these matters are already open forum points and i shall comment as i am able to thank you gemma you have just posted the other site is subject to attemp to closeure can you confirm this to be true or is this wishful thinking on youer part

[stunner_]

joe 61 i personally do not know you but beleave you are treading thin ice the other forum is not going to be affected by the threat from this one this one should be more concerned with its inhouse problems than any other site

[grizzle_hen]

 

 

So Gemma, its one rule for you and one for everyone else who does comply with how you run things... and how would another forum undermine yourselves when you just stated you should all work together ?

 

I think you are contradicting yourself with regards this issue, I believe others are influencing your judgement calls regarding this forum.

 

 

oh happy days

 

 

I was responding to the member 'stunner' someone who is hiding behind a name and wants to talk to myself and Richard, and I would rather talk to this person than have a back and forth with them on here.

 

No-one is influencing our judgement calls regarding this forum, not sure why you would think that, but maybe your just wanting to cause trouble? I'm not sure.

 

Regarding .net and the legal nature of this matter, this is not the place to discuss it

[grizzle_hen]

that is correct and on the matters i wish to discuss with you i wont  but these matters are already open forum points and i shall comment as i am able to thank you gemma you have just posted the other site is subject to attemp to closeure can you confirm this to be true or is this wishful thinking on youer part

 

As I have already said, due to the legal nature of this matter, this is not the place to discuss it

[joe61]

Should anything on here regarding the treatment of others not be discussed here, why is it people here are victimised and those that do this allowed to get away with it, recently i recieved pm of threatening behaviour..

 

 

 

oh happy days