Colour Genetics

[Wiley]

I have pair of young birds in the nest currently, out of two stock pigeons, that are prisoners and single penned, and that I have no reds or mealies In my loft. The dam is a direct Willy Thas being a blue pied hen, and the sire is a Haelterman. X Willy Thas, blue grizzle but there isn't much grizzling in the cock. Both sire and dam have been here for a good few years and bred a number of good birds upto first fed level with different partners. In the nest there is a blue pied cock and a red grizzle hen, I've gone back 4 generations in each no reds or mealies can be found I'm stumped

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

ALL THE BEST WITH IT MATE HOPE ITS A GOOD ONE.///

[lenton1163]

i have a blue cock and a cheq hen and they have 1 blue in the nest and 1 white don't no were the white comes from

[Wiley]

i have a blue cock and a cheq hen and they have 1 blue in the nest and 1 white don't no were the white comes from

I'm absolutely stumped, had something similar with my lefebre dhaenens but the hen was 11 years old and with a particular blue cock she threw mosaics but mosaics were in the pedigree so surmised were throw backs but with this one I cannot find anything to trace it back to.

[OLDYELLOW]

Wiley is there any chance that the hen could of been tread prior to been paired suppose that's got to be first question , Although fanciers believe that you can't bred a red from none red birds it's not true they must be carrying red and has simply thrown back , I've had blue bars and chequers from two reds and as for whites or pieds they can appear anywhere from any birds white is not a colour just a lack of pigmentation and the true colour masked showing a white bird

[Wiley]

OY, all hens are kept together through the winter prior to pairing all birds that are to be paired are put into individual boxes incase they have gone lesbian for at least 5 days. I should have stated this is there second round both blue pieds in the first round. As I said there is no reds or mealies in the loft and are single penned

[OLDYELLOW]

OY, all hens are kept together through the winter prior to pairing all birds that are to be paired are put into individual boxes incase they have gone lesbian for at least 5 days. I should have stated this is there second round both blue pieds in the first round. As I said there is no reds or mealies in the loft and are single penned

Definitely a throw back then watch it I bet it's a good un

[Guest IB]

Conventional thinking says if the pigeon is carrying a gene for red , the pigeon is coloured red too, because red is the dominant colour.

 

My guess is the young grizzle is bronze (immature black) which will change to black as the YB goes through the moult.

[OLDYELLOW]

Conventional thinking says if the pigeon is carrying a gene for red , the pigeon is coloured red too, because red is the dominant colour.

 

My guess is the young grizzle is bronze (immature black) which will change to black as the YB goes through the moult.

If I paired a blue grizzle to a red grizzle likely hood is birds of both colours now the blue grizzle would carry red but wouldn't necessarily show ( unless had bronzing in the flights ) however the red grizzle would more likely show black splash denoting carrying blue recessive red is not dominant

[Wiley]

Conventional thinking says if the pigeon is carrying a gene for red , the pigeon is coloured red too, because red is the dominant colour.

 

My guess is the young grizzle is bronze (immature black) which will change to black as the YB goes through the moult.

 

If it moults out to be a dark grizzle I can see the logic as most of the family are dark chequers and smokey blues, I've had bronze dark chequers before but to me it doesn't look like bronzing you'd find on the chequers it will be on the darkness so will go through a complete body moult and should show its true colour.

[lenton1163]

this post is getting way to complicated for me

[Guest Cawdy]

Wiley is there any chance that the hen could of been tread prior to been paired suppose that's got to be first question , Although fanciers believe that you can't bred a red from none red birds it's not true they must be carrying red and has simply thrown back , I've had blue bars and chequers from two reds and as for whites or pieds they can appear anywhere from any birds white is not a colour just a lack of pigmentation and the true colour masked showing a white bird

 

 

as far as what most people consider a red (ash red) this is a sex linked dominant gene. its not possible to breed one of those from a blue based bird. there are recessive form of red which is the only explanation for a red from two blue based birds

 

a point though on recessive red. if it is one in most cases its would hide all pattern on the birds making it appear self in colour

[Michael J Burden]

may be an opal grizzle would like to see a picture? atb MJB