Opinion On Freebies

[Guest maiden heaven]

Recently, and even well before, I've gave beginners a leg up in the fancy of Budgerigars.Not wanted anything in return.The point I want to make is when someone gets something gave to them free, and as much as its then loosely speaking their birds,when the person decides they dont want them, its good manners to to contact the original contributor to ask do they want them back.Only today, I heard of some of my birds being given to someone else.Birds bred off top bloodlines.Granted, not pigeons, but the same to me, should apply.I just hope that anyone being helped by others with Freebies, do appreciate the gesture.Sometimes, and again my opinion, a price or small donation to charity would be a little way to show appreciation.Believe me, Its only from my own experience, granted, by a small minority that has lead me to this opinion.

[micko and jack]

agree 100% when we started up I was looking indian fantails for jack and couldn't get them anywhere I had seen photos of them on the net reading up on keeping fantails and thought they looked lovely (and they are) I joined this site put a post up and was on the site nightly but wasn't posting as people were talking about racing and we had fantails after a week of no replies I put up looking back on it now and after experiencing the generously of fancies on this site a very cheeky post saying I was looking indian fantails no one has replied I'm not asking for them for nothing ill pay for them gangster replied saying he would see what he could do and mick didn't know me from adam mick GIFTED jack 3 pair now mick had to get them from somewhere as he has racers and in all honesty probably out of pocket jack was 18 month at the time we had garden fantails jack arrived at our house in the mornings we went out let the birds out jack would sit with a pot of corn fantails all around him and him lifting birds after getting a feed the garden fantails went on the roof the indians couldn't make the landing board jack was lifting them all the time and I was giving out at him as much as I wanted him to enjoy his birds I had to think of the birds welfare also so I rang mick and told him the craic he replied there jacks birds you do what you like wwith them I gifted the 3 pair to a very nice man who I asked for fantails when we just started bought jack and myself into his lofts pick what you want I picked I think 4 pair and there was none of you cant have that one or anything like that it was pick what you want after we hampered the birds I asked how much I owed him his reply as long as your grandson enjoys and take care of them that's enough I went to the super market brought a bottle of drink chocs and flowers for his wife and went straight back to noels house and that man has become a friend we ring eachother maybe once a month

sorry for going on very sore tonight cant sleep and no one to talk to

simply the descent thing to do I agree 100%

[Guest paulrstokes]

I have helped out two lots of new starters in the past, but I will be vary wary in the future.

 

on the first occasion I gave a guy 4 pairs of my race birds so he could breed himself a couple of rounds of youngsters, I told him I may want them back depending how my season went.

 

As soon as he had finished breeding he lets them out, they arrive at mine where the trap is open enter the loft and carnage breaks out, I had three pairs on 8 day eggs in preperation for a 400 mile race, smashed eggs scalped hens etc.

 

Then last year I sold a cock bird, the lad that turned up said he was a new starter etc, so I was generous and he walked away with three pairs.

 

The cock bird he bought had been bought by me 2 years earlier from a sale in the west midlands, then totally out of the blue the guy I originally bought him off reports a bird to me via the rpra, I realised it was the cock I had sold onto the new starter.

Then the other birds I had given start to turn up one by one.

So same as before had enough and just let them out.

[blaz]

i have helped out a few lads with birds north and south of the border not had a problem with any of them .so i would not put any one of doing this.

[Guest maiden heaven]

i have helped out a few lads with birds north and south of the border not had a problem with any of them .so i would not put any one of doing this.

 

To be honest, this is a generous way to help people get up and running with decent enough stock.Of course, this is purely for the individuals choice.I've done it for so long, but do believe that its a different case when you buy a number of birds from a particular breeder, and a bird is added as a present.That has been done when I spend at a particular stud.(Budgerigars).Same principle!!!!Not everyone is straight when getting birds, but everyone has'nt a hidden agenda either,I was that angry with the birds I gave free to be given to someone else that would'nt spend a penny on stock, and if I had my way, also would'nt have had them.Its not playing the game.If? you gave birds to help someone, and rather than ask you did you want them back, you hear in the Grapevine, someone else had them, whether bought or free, you'd feel a bit agrieved, thats the point being made.

[Guest Owen]

Years ago I was very successful at breeding Canaries. I though I was being nice and generous by giving birds to new starters and novices. I soon learned the error of my ways because they abused the birds and did not value what they had. Not in every case but too many to make me want to carry on doing it. This was at a time when canaries were quite valuable and easy to sell for good prices.

I have given pigeons away to people who won Nationals with them and plenty have won Club races and Fed positions. Again I have had to wise up because the people who won the big races never asked me if I would like a youngster back. Worse still one guy had birds that were doing really well for him and threw them away by sending them week after week until they were lost. He even sent a bird that had won really well right up the Fed level after it had hit a wire. The stupid greedy sod.

The birds that I breed these days are really very good, as those who know about them will tell you, no-one but no-one locally will get them anymore. I think I have learned my lesson. I can only sell a small number each year so I will only let them go to people I know will look after them and get the best out of them. I have come to realise that the old saying is totally right.

"Give a beggar a good horse and he will ride it to death". Some know when they are well off, while others will ruin anything they touch. Sorry about the the strong views but you have touched a nerve.

[geordie1234]

I have been given everything starting this year some very good birds of top fanciers aswell 24 birds were given to me in total for not one penny and baskets sputniks drinkers even pmv jab. Without all this generosity i would not probaly got as far as finishing my loft. If for whatever reason i had to chuck it (never think it will happen) i would have the decency to phone every single person who has helped me start up and let them know im chucking it and at least offer there birds or equipment back just out of common courtesy and hopefully one day i will be able to help someone because if people arent helping younger people into the sport sadly i think the cost of equipment will probaly too much to even think of building a loft

[Guest lvlasked]

owen i understand what your saying but like me i use to keep pigeons at the age 12-15 and raced a little and won but my perants made me get rid of all my pigeons and im now 22 and i have never let it drop with my perants i loved my birds to bits and ill be building my new loft at the end of the year when i get my council house where this leave me i no people will help me out on this site and im not won of them people who would never offer young back if i got a pair of good birds that won for me id breed off them and help the next lot of new comers in the sport or the person that gave me the birds in the first place so remmber me when i start back up ill be PM'ing you for some birds haha i also no that if i want some good birds ill have to pay for them but i dont mind longs i get some dam pigeons again dunno why i posted this bored and wanted to voice my opinion

[marmite]

bred 4 ybs this yr for a young lad would say he about 13 a new starter had phone call from him to say that 3 of the 4 have scored him cards well chuffed for him i gave them to him free all i asked was to let me know how they got on he duly kept his end of the bargain so again hell get more nxt yr free . but have hlped others that have nevr contacted again to let u know how birds did for them which i think is just ungrateful so i am wary of hlping people out i like to get to know them a bit 1st make sure there genuine

[micko and jack]

last year i was going to collect jack from nursery driving down the street beside a park a guy waved me down and asked would there be any chance of a pair fantails for droppers i knew this guy had racers i said ok but i was in a rush as i was collecting my grandson i knew were the guy lived and told him i would see him in about an hour collected jack up to my house we had lunch and hampered a pair of young fantails into the car and over to the guys house he brought us out to his lofts he had racers opened the door to the loft he was going to keep them in it WAS STINKING deep litter THIS WAS DEEP C**P FILTHY i said come on jack we're going took jack by the hand and lifted the hamper he had the cheek to ask what was wrong i replied if you think his fantails are going into that dirty hole go expletive removed* yourself walked threw his house out the front door and brought the pair home the thing that got me he brought us out to his lofts and in that state maybe he thought it was ok but not what i would have or want jacks birds living in

[geordie1234]

last year i was going to collect jack from nursery driving down the street beside a park a guy waved me down and asked would there be any chance of a pair fantails for droppers i knew this guy had racers i said ok but i was in a rush as i was collecting my grandson i knew were the guy lived and told him i would see him in about an hour collected jack up to my house we had lunch and hampered a pair of young fantails into the car and over to the guys house he brought us out to his lofts he had racers opened the door to the loft he was going to keep them in it WAS STINKING deep litter THIS WAS DEEP C**P FILTHY i said come on jack we're going took jack by the hand and lifted the hamper he had the cheek to ask what was wrong i replied if you think his fantails are going into that dirty hole go expletive removed* yourself walked threw his house out the front door and brought the pair home the thing that got me he brought us out to his lofts and in that state maybe he thought it was ok but not what i would have or want jacks birds living in

totally agree what you just said mate everyday i scrape my loft out and when i cant be bothered i always think that if any fancier turned up at my house i would want to be able to proudly take them in my loft and show them how well kept my pigeons are. thats what drives me to do the stinken jobs

[Guest maiden heaven]

I have been given everything starting this year some very good birds of top fanciers aswell 24 birds were given to me in total for not one penny and baskets sputniks drinkers even pmv jab. Without all this generosity i would not probaly got as far as finishing my loft. If for whatever reason i had to chuck it (never think it will happen) i would have the decency to phone every single person who has helped me start up and let them know im chucking it and at least offer there birds or equipment back just out of common courtesy and hopefully one day i will be able to help someone because if people arent helping younger people into the sport sadly i think the cost of equipment will probaly too much to even think of building a loft

 

From reading your reply to this subject, you are the type of person that appreciates the gesture of someone established in fancy to give you that push on to have some success and stay in the hobby that they love so much.I've the nature to give the shirt off my back to people, but you then feel foolish when it sometimes ''back fires''.Its the whole deceit involved.People coming to me and telling me''if I breed anything worthwhile, you'll have first choice it never happens!!!I've gave birds to fanciers that cost me £100 when I bought them, and I've yet to be invited to select a baby from them.One particular fella wanted 5 pair, bred on Excellent lines...asking price £500, which is reasonable..to be honest.I said,''your under no obligation to buy'', ''Iwant them'', he replied.He now avoids me, and has stopped contacting me.Your good nature can be misinterpreted.Its only a Hobby at the end of the day, but it costs money to get the stock to establish a stud of birds.

[geordie1234]

From reading your reply to this subject, you are the type of person that appreciates the gesture of someone established in fancy to give you that push on to have some success and stay in the hobby that they love so much.I've the nature to give the shirt off my back to people, but you then feel foolish when it sometimes ''back fires''.Its the whole deceit involved.People coming to me and telling me''if I breed anything worthwhile, you'll have first choice it never happens!!!I've gave birds to fanciers that cost me £100 when I bought them, and I've yet to be invited to select a baby from them.One particular fella wanted 5 pair, bred on Excellent lines...asking price £500, which is reasonable..to be honest.I said,''your under no obligation to buy'', ''Iwant them'', he replied.He now avoids me, and has stopped contacting me.Your good nature can be misinterpreted.Its only a Hobby at the end of the day, but it costs money to get the stock to establish a stud of birds.

I do understand what you said and its very unfortunate you have been treated this way it is quite sad after all it is just plain manners nothing to do with pigeons budgie's whatever pretty sad

[Guest maiden heaven]

AGREED...ENOUGH SAID

[micko and jack]

this thread is all doom and gloom and that is not the case with everyone please dont think that if just one person is desent then that a good thing many many people have helped jack and me after our i think our 2nd breakin members from this site offered jack all kinds of birds from club winners to fed and channel racers I have said it before the generosity of fancier on this site is humbling and i suppose thats what makes it special so dont let some put you of i know its hard trying to judge people but we ALL need a helping hand at times

[Guest maiden heaven]

this thread is all doom and gloom and that is not the case with everyone please dont think that if just one person is desent then that a good thing many many people have helped jack and me after our i think our 2nd breakin members from this site offered jack all kinds of birds from club winners to fed and channel racers I have said it before the generosity of fancier on this site is humbling and i suppose thats what makes it special so dont let some put you of i know its hard trying to judge people but we ALL need a helping hand at times

 

It may seem that way.But in total sincerity, I liked the thought of helping others get into a hobby, and get to grips with it.It is an individual thing.More than likely, as its in my nature to do so.Somewhere along the line I'll do the same thing.The point , in fairness was aimed at those who then take it for granted, and its just really good manners, nothing more nothing less.I would also stress, that its a few people that would give stock away/sell that they were given, that the point is valid.

 

Basically, I think we can bring this chapter to a close.

[airdrie2]

NOT ALL DOOM OR GLOOM IF IT WASNT FOR A FEW GUYS WHO I DIDNT KNOW BEFOREHAND I WOULDNT HAVE THE HOBBY THAT I LOVE AND WOULDNT BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH THE SO CALLED MONEY MEN THE GUYES WHO GAVE ME MY START AND THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE I AM MOST INDETED TO THEM AND THEY COULD HAVE ANYTHING OUT OFF MY LOFT NOW OR IN FUTURE SO NOT ALL BAD

[blaz]

To be honest, this is a generous way to help people get up and running with decent enough stock.Of course, this is purely for the individuals choice.I've done it for so long, but do believe that its a different case when you buy a number of birds from a particular breeder, and a bird is added as a present.That has been done when I spend at a particular stud.(Budgerigars).Same principle!!!!Not everyone is straight when getting birds, but everyone has'nt a hidden agenda either,I was that angry with the birds I gave free to be given to someone else that would'nt spend a penny on stock, and if I had my way, also would'nt have had them.Its not playing the game.If? you gave birds to help someone, and rather than ask you did you want them back, you hear in the Grapevine, someone else had them, whether bought or free, you'd feel a bit agrieved, thats the point being made.

when i have given birds to help fanciers out the birds are then theirs to do with what thay want.it is the same when i have received birds from fellow fanciers the birds are now mine mine to do with what i want. unless i have said previously or they have said to me