PEDIGREES

[T_T]

Neccessary ?

[mobster]

seen some fanciers here. they depend on race results rather than pedigrees.

[westy]

me and my dad (snowy) are going to keep pedigrees as a few of the birds we have got have got them going back years and years.

[Guest jason]

most pedigrees aren't worth the paper they're written on, the basket will tell you if you have a good pigeon.

[Guest]

Ummmm Pedigrees!!!!!!, most of the flyers I have met in America think more of the pedigree than anything else.  I have actually seen people drool over these pieces of paper while the bird that came with them, usually from some Salford Van Hire are rubbish.

 

You can't fly paper, the basket will decide.  I have a pigeon, Studley the Logo bird on our Website, the poor old lad ain't got a pedigree but produces us winner after winner, but I can't get thirty bob for his kids due to the lack of pedigree.

 

Pedigrees can be used in selection, just as can eyesign and body conformation, but to me they are useless bits of paper especially if the breeder breeds in an open loft and not separate breeding pens

 

[Guest]

A lad who breeds me pigeons, gave me a copy of the pedigrees he got when he purchased the parents and they go back to 1976 with 4 generation of winners in-between. These stock have produced numerous winners for him and hopefully this year and in the future they will win for me. Its interesting to see what their off but I would rather just know that the parents had bred winners and what distance they were winning from, then test them to see if they will do well at the distance.

 

I cant understand why people buy some pigeons just because they are through a certain fancier, I went to my first sale last year and I knew the lad and his birds that were for sale and he was just as amazed as me that some of the birds were going for £500-600 pounds, birds that hadnt bred anything. It made me smile because some birds that were going for £800-1000, he had given me birds the same way bred for nowt.

[Guest slugmonkey]

When a pedigree is used for the right purpose it is a useful tool most see it as a garantee of heritage and performance when in fact it should be used to look at how birds were bred from the previous owners I look for " common denominators " between this bird and other great birds from the same lines and then try to locate others of similiar breeding and then put these birds back together for stock

[Guest]

I agree with you slugmonkey, but I find poeple buy birds especially at auctions beacuse there is a well known name on the pedigree without taking a really good look at the bird

[schouwman71]

i dont really know a lot about breeds only janssens and karl herman pigeons, and i tend to go by the way the bird looks and handles the colour and the type then i look at their pedigrees,if i dont think they match i put the bird back.pedigrees are useless if the paper soes not match the bird.

[snowy]

i believe in good birds are good birds regardless of pedigree,

but regarding to pure strains its different, as people say pure this & pure that,

but if you have pedigrees & documentation to back it up , its different, (but still might not win nowt)

[Guest]

Indeed snowy,

 

Unless Pigeons are bred in individual pens, no pigeon seller can guarantee the buyer is getting what is on the pedigree.

 

There are one or two "scam Merchants" in the states who e-mail you and ask you to fax them a copy of one of your top birds pedigrees., some people have fallen for it and flyers have bought grossly falsified pedigrees.

 

We have a seal we impress on our peds, if it don't have the seal its not a genuine ped for birds bred in individual pens

[snowy]

good idea about the seal.

[jimmy white]

;D ;D ;D thought it was a penguin ;D ;D ;D

pedigrees can be usefull if their honest, but it doesnt make the bird any better

[zetlandlad999]

The Pedigree of a bird should not be the be all and end all, all birds should be tested to the fullest and thoughs that dont messure up should be disposed of, and also the birds that bred them.

[jimmy white]

yes, providing the management is right first

[Blue Chequer]

Some lofts now offer DNA profiling to ensure you get birds from the correct stock.  I think the Asians are rather keen on this as they pay astronimical figures for pigeons. Everyone knows generally speaking pedigrees are not worth the paper they are written on.

[jimmy white]

;D ;D ;D i think that dna should be put on most pedigrees[ D.o N.ot A.gree ] I BELEIVE MOST PEDIGREES GIVEN BY UNSCRUPULOUS SELLERS ARE FALSE

i agree with pedigrees from genuine fanciers or freinds, for the reason of keeping tabs with the breeding, and for your own use only, ie  how close are you breeding , what pairs are producing.or what combination are breeding the best,etc   :)

[T_T]

Can't disagree with you there Jimmy.  I also think pedigrees are essential if you want to follow the line of a particular family.   Nothing can be left to memory.

[MsPigeon]

The last bird I bought came with a stack of diplomas and the owner told me it's strain and heritage. That meant more to me than a pedigree.

[sj irving jnr]

i like to look at a pedigree,but if i like the bird  the paper wont matter and i will try and let the basket sort it out.

 

scott

[Guest Silverwings]

Can't disagree with you there Jimmy.  I also think pedigrees are essential if you want to follow the line of a particular family.   Nothing can be left to memory.

 

On the button T-T allways check the log book on a new car dont we ? nice to see that any new bird we bring in has the right background ,and the person we get them from can find the time to maintain the records ,adds to the interest factor too ! .....ray