Do you dispose of your birds if they are no good?

[westy]

i was just asking because pepole i know dispose of them if they are no good i think it is crule but they said it has to be done.

[Guest]

SORRY  BUT NOT A VERY NICE POLL TO PUT ON WESTY- THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT BEFORE :-/

[carl]

I agree very touchy subject westy.

We have a new starter in our club this season and i have gave him the birds i didnt want so i didnt have to dispose of them.

[THE FIFER]

I DOO NOT THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WHICH SHOULD BE AIRED IN PUBLIC IT COULD GET INTO THE WRONG HANDS AND CAN BE BAD FOR THE SPORT

[Guest shadow]

I agree and think the andministrator should remove it please

[Guest]

Westy, I think you are correct to raise any subject no matter how controversial it is, give your own opinion on it, and ask others for theirs.  

 

I note that you believe it to be cruel. I personally think it is very distasteful and an extremely unpleasant part of breeding any animal for a specific purpose... and it is part of a similar process which eventually puts food on your dinner table... only the best ends up on your plate.

 

But your attitude towards it should help put a brake on the numbers you breed. Aim for quality not quantity, so that when push-comes-to-shove, you either have correct numbers, or surplus birds that would grace any new starter's loft.

 

'Cruelty' varies according to how people see it. In the circumstances you describe, it would apply only if you caused the bird unnecessary suffering 'trying' to despatch it.  This website shows an approved and humane tool for the job, described earlier:

 

 

 

http://www.solwayfeeders.com/ProductsDetail1.asp?STOCK_CODE=7401

[jimmy white]

i had a pigeon. never won a prize till 6 years old where it was 15th open blue riband,scottish national rennes, so who are we to say their no good.

i personally think this post should be removed as this is personal between you and your pigeons and everyone is differant

[Guest Silverwings]

agree with brunos post ,although i have no hesitation in doing the culls have found that  a little more thourght in the breeding side of it greatly reduces the need for this task ,and regular progression checks when squabs are in the nest ie: feathering ,bone formation and growth rate ,etc and making sure they have no lack of minerals vitamins and greenstuf,the basket will do the rest ,some times local (frank spencertype ) fancier who have accumulated more birds than their loft can cope with or have cases of serious ailments like P.M.V. the cruel to be kind action has to be adopted for them .as with all areas of domestic livestock.

[celtic]

Agree ,it should be removed why give the antis ammunition.

[fifestay]

Lets face it there are fly or die Guys ..... just ask yourself if you were a Pigeon would you be supressed by now in the scheme of things in life :o I think it depends on whether you are into Birds or into racing at all costs.

 

Why get worked up by adverse publicity ....If Fanciers kill birds you cant hide it .. I personally find it distateful but some do it  but we cant speak of it. Open debate ... how many Birds have you suppressed/ killed as opposed to what the Hawks have taken? That is where the raptor argument falls ...its only bad when they take good birds?

Yes westy people do kill Birds if they dont think they are good enough and yes it is not pleasant and i know you are quite young ....and people wonder why Young people dont enter the sport

[Guest WINGS 04]

how long do you give the bird to see if they are no good

[jimmy white]

thats what i mean wings, its completely up to the owner of the bird, hes the only one that makes the decision, nobody else, and i beleive that to be personal between the owner and the pigeon

[fifestay]

Jimmy,

Its not that equality centred ....the Doo cant make a decision to suppress the owner ;D ;D ;D I'll bet some doo wished they could

[jimmy white]

 think the webmaster has improved the post by wording it differantly, fair doos.

;D ;D ;D and your bang on fifestay ;D ;D ;D

[fifestay]

I am just scared that in the next life I am the doo and they are the fancier lol

[Guest]

HOPE I'M IN THE SAME LOFT AS YOU FIFIE  :-/ CAUSE I THINK I'D BEAT YOU HOME

EVERY TIME ;D

[Guest]

Yes, agree with the posts on the fancier being disposed of.  ;D  ;D

 

Also agree with the post that basket usually sorts things out without culling ever becoming necessary. Posted that elsewhere on similar subject.

 

And also agree with the 'moving-on' of the debate onto absolute fairness - how long do you give the bird to prove itself? I'd say until the end of its fourth year on the road... and that goes for the proving of the stock birds too, for their offspring.

[Guest]

If they no good to you, would you send all "No Good" to 500 mls to see what is come to you?.  

[Guest]

Red Rose Lofts are very proud of our reputation in being a No Cull Loft.  We bring these little creatures into the world for our satisfaction and pleasure and even if a bird is no good as a racer. he/she has some use in life and we have no right to destroy them at will.

 

Our bum racers usually end up as foster parents to our breeders eggs and birds that have gone sterile on us always have a perch for the rest of their lives. Steve pulled a fast one on me this year, he paired one of our bum racers who was a foster bird up with one of my Barker hens, slipped them onto my young bird team and surprise surprise they were two of the best young birds on my team. So consider the fact that a pigeon maybe a bad racer but is full of breeding potential.

 

The Help a Beginner Programme in the USA has benefitted greatly from fanciers who just have too many birds in their lofts, and judging by the results I get in. some excellent birds have been given out that otherwise may have been culled.

 

 

Once or twice we have had to destroy birds, one so seriously injured by a hawk it was a favour to the bird and left us very distraught.

 

This is a very sensitive subject and in my opinion shouldn't be discussed on a public forum which is open to guests, who knows who those guests are ??? could be Peta and the Animal Liberation Front, gathering information to use against us.

 

Every one has the right to express his/her opinions but I feel certain subjects should be discussed in private.

[snowy]

no disrespect to my son westie being open, but just explained to him the reason why this is a bit of a distastefull subject, he now understands & did not realise what the outcome could be,

our apollogies

snowy & westy

[GREENGRASS]

no need to apologise snowy as the lad was only asking a question. A touchy subject maybe but one that has to be addressed, so credit to the lad for having the courage to ask.

[Guest shadow]

If they no good to you, would you send all "No Good" to 500 mls to see what is come to you?.  

 Personally no why add to the stray problem.

 

 

[Guest]

Craig

 

That is the sort of question that the Animal rights activists pounce on and I have seen responses posted on an AR web page.

 

Snowy and Westy

 

No need to apologise, this is a very sticky subject and has to be addressed, but we don't want to drive another nail in our coffin with the AR nuters.

 

 

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

I cull Very few mostly sick or injured but I have no mercy in the basket ALL my yearlings go 600 and ALL my yb go 300 a lot of the yb's go 300 twice there isn't a bird in my old bird loft that hasnt been 600 I think the problem is people wont race what they raise they worry about what a bird is out of instead of if it can get the job done if you will race your birds you will find you wont need to cull and in a few generations you will be suprised how much better your birds are when you lose a bird the overall health goes up where he was at I am not looking for an average bird I want exceptional birds the only way to have them is to let them happen a bird scores no points sitting in a loft I bred them to race and I give them EVERY advantage I know of to let him win I dont do crazy stuff like pull feathers or train 200 miles 2 days before a race I send rested well fed birds to races and they come home we raced out of the west this year we have wind from the south 90% of the time the average wind here is about 10 mph with 20-30 not being unusual we are 100 miles from windiest city in United States

( Dodge City Kansas ) most guys lost 3/4 of thier teams with a couple of new guys not knowing how they are going to race old birds this year I lost about a third of my team but what I have left have nearly all hit the sheet I won several races out of turn and in my section I really pounded them I live in the south section and the wind definatly favored the north  section on a 100 mile race I took the first 8 positions my point is this RACE YOUR BIRDS they are cool to look at and fun to play with and if thats what you like get parlor rollers but if you have racers FLY THEM its not fair to cull something that hasnt had a chance !!!

[jimmy_bulger]

hi westy.

if the racing pigeon was in the wild then nature would take it's course but you and the animal rights *expletive removed* who are reading this know full well that the racing pigeon is a man made animal.

so in the absence of nature then the fancier has to take the part of mother nature, if culling is nessasary then it has to be done.

but then again if the animal right *expletive removed* want to put a stop to pigeon racing i would like to know if they have got room for 10.000.000 birds and also how would they dispose of them .

lmao.jimmy bulger