Would 50 rings max a year improve racing?

[pj1001]

Would limiting fanciers to a maximum of 50 young bird rings a year improve racing?

 

PJ

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

i dont see where your coming from

[sapper756]

What about the big studs that race also? they would have to be the same as everyone else. People would boost their numbers by buying from Louella etc.

[pj1001]

A lot of fanciers that I know puts rings on youngsters every year bred of anything hoping to breed a ' good un' . Their philosophy is 'If it comes out put a ring on it'. If fanciers had only a fixed number of rings each year then they would have to be a bit more selective in what they breed off. Hopefully as a result of this better youngsters would be reared and as a result less losses and improved racing.

 

What our others views on this?

 

 

PJ

[ACE LOFTS]

i no were your coming from but minimizing the amount of rings u can buy will minimize the number of entrys, and u will be flying against poor birdage, + clubs will loose money

[pj1001]

I can understand what your saying ACE ok and it makes a lot of sense also, especially with numbers of members falling each year.But at the same time I'm sure alot of these inferior birds will be lost in the first few races anyways. I know things are a bit different in terms of racing in the UK to Ireland. For example in the NIPA in Northern Ireland in some of the early young bird races there can be up to 30,000 birds liberated in a normal weekend race. By the end of the year though you would be lucky to get between 8,000 to 10,000 youngsters in a race. So basically somewhere between 10,000 to 20,000 youngsters are being lost between 80 and 300 miles each year and no one seems to know where they are going. The hawks can't be taking them all.

 

PJ

 

 

[ACE LOFTS]

ok our fed sends on an average around 1500 birds to 2000 birds a week, if the rings were limited we would be very lucky to get around 800-1000 birds a week.

 

there are NOT a lot of people out there than can breed that quality of 50 and still keep 45 at the end of the season, i no for sure that i am not 1 of those breeders i would love to be and im sure that a lot would like to have that skill.

 

so issuing 50 rings per loft i dont think it would be a good idea.

 

as for your other statment about were youngens are going i aint got a clue man.

 

tell me if im not on the right tracks or am i going adrift and about to crash lol

[schouwman71]

Take a look at it another way ,say make the rings 30 a year,then people would cut there birds down and be more selective,breed better youngsters because we would have to use our nogging,and propably go to the first race with almost a full team of youngsters

 

1,because the health would be better in the loft

2,there would be no overcrouwding

3,you would be able to see to the birds better and be more focus with them,and there will still be the normal amount going to the 1st race because you hardly wont have lost them.

[Guest Silverwings]

pj ,this line of thinking is the way to go ,quality not quantity one of the best supported clubs in our area , and host to many top flyers impliments a four bird limit ?...ray

[Guest Paulo]

Take a look at it another way ,say make the rings 30 a year,then people would cut there birds down and be more selective,breed better youngsters because we would have to use our nogging,and propably go to the first race with almost a full team of youngsters

 

1,because the health would be better in the loft

2,there would be no overcrouwding

3,you would be able to see to the birds better and be more focus with them,and there will still be the normal amount going to the 1st race because you hardly wont have lost them.

 

 

plus its easier to concentrate on 30 birds and treat them more like individuals. Observation is everything!!!!!!!!

 

[Guest anthony]

I do not think that restrictions will solve anything,what I wish to see is more information about how we  can be good breeders,not saying that there is not,but you still find fanciers breeding numbers in the hope of having a champion.When we learn what to breed and from who, we will defenatily breed less

[NANCYVIEWLOFTS]

let the big team men have as many rings as they want but limit the amount of birds they can enter for club racing

they can send as many as they want for fed prizes

after all they can only win 1 first prize in each race they enter

if they and  their birds are so good why do they need to send large amounts ?

[westy]

im ordering 40 rings but mith not use them all.

[ch pied]

pjiooi, i see were your comming from , it sure would reduce the amount of cr*p, offerd in the winter sale's what you propose would send send some people to the wall :D :D

[pj1001]

Each year we get 60 rings from our club 40 of which are used for ourselves and 20 for youngsters for chairty sales and to give to friends etc. We rear from only 8 pair of stock birds (normally 2 rounds of each pair) and from 5-6 pairs of racers. For the past few years we have lost 9 youngsters and 7 youngsters out of these from when they were weaned until the end of the season, while others in the same club have lost on the region of 50-60. We used to rear 60 youngsters for ourselves but it became too much hassle catching them etc for training and also that amount was too many for the loft. Since we have cut numbers down and been more selective we have had a lot less health problems with our youngsters. We also now after the initial 4 training tosses from 2-5 miles toss all our youngsters are trained in 3's from 10 miles to 40miles. We would send a maximum of 30 youngsters a week for the early races then about 10-12 a week afterwards, but can still hold our own with most of the fanciers in our club and fed.

 

So do we really need 50-100 youngsters a year to be competitive like a lot of fanciers seem to think nowadays, honestly I don't think so.

 

 

PJ

[ch pied]

pj1001,  you summed that one up lovely, everything at the end of season ,earned a perch