wanted fancy birds

[micko and jack]

CHAIRDE (FRIENDS) I have followed this thread and some very fair comments about dealers fancy/show breeders  homers tipplers and culling and do you know what I think you are all RIGHT I started a loft for my grandson now age 20 months Jack loves his fantails garden and Indian they are all colours  and if they happen to inter-breed so what Jack likes them and that's whats IMPORTANT TO ME our Indians may or may not be show quality we don't care Jack arrives at my home each morning grandda grandda I'm taken by the hand and out to the loft you cant say to a child like Jack at his age keep looking in the sky that wee dot is your tipplers or your homers will be coming soon if when older if he wants tipplers homers or any other breed he'll get them likewise to the fancy/show breeder anything below standard gets culled

let me tell you of a friend of mine lives in Belfast keeps homers and that's his thing went on holiday and asked his brother to look after his birds    long story cut short      

I asked his brother why he killed 47 of his brothers birds his reply

Mick when a bomb went of in town you seen birds  flying everywhere

when I slammed the door on that loft

any bird that never left its perch

you wont win races with them

I wrong their necks

now I read treads about homers and going by some members say

young birds that may not show a lot in their first year

sometimes come good and winners as older birds  

likewise some starting of needing their young birds as breeding stock

and go on to win with their young the next year

a bit of food for thought I think

micko  

[pjc]

Micko, i'll tell you the opposite, I went to a guys loft at Leighton Buzzard, he's won more than most in his area both north and south.

When he took me into his loft he said watch this, now bare in mind i was a stranger in the loft, he dropped from height the food hopper onto the floor and not a single bird flinched.

He would not tollerate a nervous bird as it would upset the loft and his family were all Janseen based which are often highly strung!

 

Phil

[bewted]

Micko, i'll tell you the opposite, I went to a guys loft at Leighton Buzzard, he's won more than most in his area both north and south.

When he took me into his loft he said watch this, now bare in mind i was a stranger in the loft, he dropped from height the food hopper onto the floor and not a single bird flinched.

He would not tollerate a nervous bird as it would upset the loft and his family were all Janseen based which are often highly strung!

 

Phil

 

YOU WERENT FAR FROM ME AT LEIGHTON BUZZARD ,,,PJC !!!

[kirky]

some people just like a few fancy bird flying out and dont want to pay fancy prices for show standard birds ,

[pjc]

Ted you'll know who i'm talking about then, Claude Wheeler!

[jimmy white]

Right

Let's clear the air

 

I am always looking for fancy breeds for my private loft.

 

If on occassions I get other breeds (tipplers, tumblers etc) I do sell or give them to other fanciers.

 

So the best way to describe this would be " I am a dealer "

 

I hope this finally clears any misunderstanding or misrepresentations.

 

 

simple,,,, buy or dont  ;D  [or better still barter ;D]

[micko and jack]

some people just like a few fancy bird flying out and dont want to pay fancy prices for show standard birds ,

the price for me wasnt a big thing check my post asking for indians

seeing Jack happy with birds he can handle was important for me

in a roundabout way and if you read the post after mine what i would consider a good bird something multi-coloured Jack can lift hand-feed and follows him around the yard haha

i consider that a GREAT bird because thats what i want

show /fancy breeder may tell you THATS WOULDNT MEET THE SHOW STANDARD each to their own they meet my standards and needs micko

 

 

[bewted]

Ted you'll know who i'm talking about then, Claude Wheeler!

 

i dont know him personaly,but,hear plenty of good stories about him and the one about what you said was true !!!!

[Guest Freebird]

the price for me wasnt a big thing check my post asking for indians

seeing Jack happy with birds he can handle was important for me

in a roundabout way and if you read the post after mine what i would consider a good bird something multi-coloured Jack can lift hand-feed and follows him around the yard haha

i consider that a GREAT bird because thats what i want

show /fancy breeder may tell you THATS WOULDNT MEET THE SHOW STANDARD each to their own they meet my standards and needs micko

 

Couldn't agree more. The wee pigeon caters for all our needs be it winning, amusing or just sheer pleasure of admiring. Don't knock anyone for the way they use their birds just be thankful that some people way back in time were not prejudice and curious enough to enhance certain traits to keep us all happy. Some colours etc. don't show until 2nd 3rd moult so if breeders had always culled then this would not have been discovered but probably passed a bird on to a novice to find it had developed into something quite different in a couple of years. To be honest I do not like a lot of the standard breeds to me they are ugly and not an improvement on the original stock but that's just my opinion and I don't think it matters as they obviously fulfil a different taste to mine. Character is sometimes ovrlooked as well, I think a birds character is more important than looks. I do not mind people selling on here as long as they are genuine and don't rip people off and of course the birds are in good health and well looked after. Some areas of the U.K. do not have a lot of birds available so birds have to be bought elsewhere. No matter what value or worth is put on a prize racer or poorly marked show bird its welfare should always be paramount.

 

[kiateapigeons]

Sorry but i would not give my birds to a dealer if they are no good for me then they are no good for anyone else its these people that give us in the fancy a bad name by selling other peoples rubbish what they dont want.  I have seena lot of threads with photos of so called fancy pigeons crap birds what I wouldnt give a tuppence for if someone wants a good start there are genuine fanciers out there that will help start a new and upcoming fancier into pigeon showing, the most I have paid for a fancy pigeon that was from a top breeder was 10 pounds and this bird had done well at champ level too and have had lots given all of show quality. I feel if a new fancier is coming into our sport you have to keep them interested not by giving them rubbish but by giving them a good start. We have recently started a young girl up with a pair of quality wests we gave her them as well, these birds will do very well as they have been shown previously at top level too. alot of you may disagree with my post but we are all entitled to an opinion  

[Guest tomo68]

I agree wit what you have said Kia as im starting in showing and wouldnt like someone parting company with crap birds and passing them on to people that want to get into the sport i am having a couple pairs of Old German Owls of PJC but i have been informed by a lot of people that hes birds are of top quality so have no problem taking these birds from him.

[pjc]

Spot on Kia! Nobody needs to charge a newcomer anything for a quality start.

If somebody start with rubbish as pets and gains interest wanting then to have a go at shows etc, how dissapointed will they be then when they are told by a judge that there pride and joy's are only fit for one purpose?

 

Just for you Tomo

[OLDYELLOW]

Spot on Kia! Nobody needs to charge a newcomer anything for a quality start.

If somebody start with rubbish as pets and gains interest wanting then to have a go at shows etc, how dissapointed will they be then when they are told by a judge that there pride and joy's are only fit for one purpose?

 

Just for you Tomo

 

is that an old dutch owl  in the photo ?

[pjc]

Old German owl, as is this:-

 

[pjc]

Also sometimes refered to as German Shield Owls

[OLDYELLOW]

are right the short faced ones , couldnt make out from small picture and other one was too big had a shock could only see an eye on back ground when i enlarged it ( then scrolled but not a very defined background for the colour )

[Guest lvlasked]

2 behonest i dont get rid of any my birds wether they poor pr good i beleave its nature tome no bird shud be killed just coz its not to a standerd lol sorry just what i think

[pjc]

If you never get rid of any you must be over run with birds!

Also, what would the ferrets eat if I didn't reduce numbers?

 

Phil

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

I disagree Phil. People who breed to show obviously shouldnt keep birds not up to show standard because of limited room etc, but birds that aren't up to standard shouldnt automatically be binned. What about new fanciers and youngsters who just want a few pretty birds to look at? Why should they buy show quality birds at show quality prices? I started off in this hobby buying poor quality birds from the local auction. Because of the number of different breeds available it kept me interested all these years. Ive never had an interest in showing so poor quality birds are fine by me, as long as they are healthy and look nice!!!

 

Just my opinion  

 

Lee

 

totally agree with you, there are plenty young and new starters who would be happy with some of the birds which are culled even if as you say it is just to look at

[nutverlal]

For an Update

 

Approved Buyer & Seller.

 

Still looking for unwanted, overstocked pigeons.

 

Many thanks to all who sported me.

 

Yours too in the sport.

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

2 behonest i dont get rid of any my birds wether they poor pr good i beleave its nature tome no bird shud be killed just coz its not to a standerd lol sorry just what i think

 

then you have same out look as me but i had 150 up farm in end

[rabbit226]

i got some african owls if your intrested but they not going cheap

[Guest tomo68]

Hi all how is everyone long time no see ive just been reading the reviews on this topic i no nutverlal and i can say he is a dealer and i wouldnt give him anything i dont keep them anymore but ones i have had off him died (more fool me for having them) but i wouldnt trust him he has a shop not far from me and some of the birds are a disgrace.

just thought i would let people know!

[pjc]

Hi all how is everyone long time no see ive just been reading the reviews on this topic i no nutverlal and i can say he is a dealer and i wouldnt give him anything i dont keep them anymore but ones i have had off him died (more fool me for having them) but i wouldnt trust him he has a shop not far from me and some of the birds are a disgrace.

just thought i would let people know!

 

The stray catchers been very quiet on here for sometime now, maybe he got the hint!