GREEDY

[Roundo]

Regardless of the amount of pigeons that any fancier sends to a race, if he's timing in 10 - 12 birds before me then it's time for me to get better pigeons, not limit him to the amount he can time.

 

If they decide to keep a large team of birds then surely they're entitled to time them in on race day ??

 

Roundo.

 

 

[mark]

Regardless of the amount of pigeons that any fancier sends to a race, if he's timing in 10 - 12 birds before me then it's time for me to get better pigeons, not limit him to the amount he can time.

 

If they decide to keep a large team of birds then surely they're entitled to time them in on race day ??

 

Roundo.

 

 

theres a fair enough comment roundo but when starting up with the prices some people want for birds  where do you get better birds at working mens prices,

 

 

 

[swilcox]

Please Please dont knock the big sender as they are about all thats keeping the sport afloat!!!

 

[gangster]

and dont forget they still pay the same per bird as everyone else?????

[Guest Paulo]

at the end of the day they are there to beat so if they are clocking a lot of birds on before them get better pigeons or raise your level of play with regards to management

[Guest]

Exactly Paulo!

Preventing the ace racers from timing in all of their returns gives a false result, and people who get prizes through this are kidding themselves. Its a competition not a charity.

Having said that, I understand where people are coming from regarding novices etc. In our club we used to have a "junior league" result each week. We would run cards, squeaker sales, raffles, breeder/buyers, etc, and put some money aside for the novices to compete for each week. The novices could compete in the main result, but the aces weren't allowed in the novices result. It created a lot of excitement, without penalizing the top fliers. They still won, and got their points and money, and the novices were flying for good money too! It went as little sour though, when the novices only wanted to run promotions that were helping the junior league!

Also, our prize payout at the end of the season was paid out in a percentage ratio! Example; if you have 10 members, the top man would get 20%, 2nd 15%, 3rd 10%, etc etc, down to the last men getting 5%. This way every member got a share of the wealth of the club, and was called to the table to receive his money at the prizegiving evening.

So there are ways you can help the novices to thrive without penalizing the big boys!

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

it shouldnt bother us like swilcox said they keep the sport a float for as small team flyers it cost 20 a week for those big team flyers there paying double so its there loss

[rockinrick]

Good Subject

 

In our club people time in as many as they want, these are all sent to the fed.

 

We have a gentlemans agreement however that for the club we clock three only and a pooler.

 

We even spread things around with prizemoney, foir example if we pay £20.00 per race then that is £2.00 per position for the first 10 places.

 

We just want everyone to get something if only a little back, if a new fancier was just starting and paying e.g £20.00 per week to send 10-15 birds, and was getting Mr mob flyer banging 15-20 in the clock before him you would be lucky to keep him for 2 seasons.

 

We did have a guy once who raced 12 widow cocks (very well) he would time in 2 and then his last back, amazing how many times he took the first three, and as he admitted himself, he did not want to take all 10 places because that would soon cause dislike, but by timing his last as his third he knew in his own mind how good his birds were.

 

good post paul , i would say that is a fair way of clocking .

 

 

anyways i only need 1 thimble (evil laugh ) hahahahahahahahahahaha

[GREENGRASS]

there are many opinions on how many to clock etc and what is fair but if a man sends and pays for 50 birds then surely he is entitled to put as many in the clock as he wants, if another man sends 5 is he allowed to clock all 5. why does everyone assume that if a man is clocking so many in before you that his birds are better and therefore you must get better birds, maybe his management is better and his birds are better motivated in better health and fitter, we are to quick to try and buy in winners before we have tried to get the maxium from the birds we already have. far to often we blame our birds when the problem is far closer to home, but we dont want to admit to it ..................do we.......... ;D

[dazza]

Its a tricky subject we can only clock 2 in our club. I disagree with Stuart that the big senders keep the sport alive on the contrary it is the smaller fanciers who continue to send for the love of the sport knowing they are up against it flying against teams of 70,80 100 pigeons every week that keep the sport alive.

 

I love to see the Nationals won by someone who sends 4 or 5!

[Ronnie]

there are many opinions on how many to clock etc and what is fair but if a man sends and pays for 50 birds then surely he is entitled to put as many in the clock as he wants, if another man sends 5 is he allowed to clock all 5. why does everyone assume that if a man is clocking so many in before you that his birds are better and therefore you must get better birds, maybe his management is better and his birds are better motivated in better health and fitter, we are to quick to try and buy in winners before we have tried to get the maxium from the birds we already have. far to often we blame our birds when the problem is far closer to home, but we dont want to admit to it ..................do we.......... ;D

 

Says it all for me.

99% of us need to look in the mirror to find the biggest fault with our birds.

I would like to see league tables of flyers for different area's something official not just a gimmick to sell birds.

cant see how it would be set up though .And would be really hard  finishing last in the Fed league

[johnny11]

This has happened in our club which was once was the biggest club in the fed now only lucky if 7 send. Three flyers clock in as many as they can as its getting like a competition who can clock the most. Then they wonder why the membership is falling. You have to give other fanciers a chance. Its alright saying well they need to try harder, but people with little money time or the working man cant compete most of the time, but that one card now and again will keep them in the game a little longer.

 

In a sport which is declining we need a little common sense. If you only clock two why say "i had six more to clock" There is no need. How the hell in times like these do you encourage new starters, when they get battered by the seasoned fancier week in week out. Its demoralising

 

John

[Guest]

In my two clubs, new starters are helped with both pigeons and advice. We have a young kid that gets good timers each season and everyone is over the moon when he times in. He has been gifted better pigeons than he could afford to buy himself, and despite his young age still competes with the big boys, the aces who are skinning everyone week in week out.

There are many reasons at times why the game can be demoralizing, and for why the numbers are falling, BUT its still a COMPETITION, and by handicapping the best fliers it does not make everyone behind them any better! How many top fanciers do you know that have left the sport for being refused entry into their local clubs, or for having inane pathetic rules implemented to stop them, like a polo mint boundary placed around their loft to keep them out of the club, etc. How many have left because of being constantly being broken into, or burned out, or constant aggravation from neighbours, through age or ill health, a death in the family, family ties, work ties, or simply had just had enough? These are a handful of the many reasons why its sometimes demoralising and the numbers are falling.

I know of club's who will not allow ace fliers in, and compete in good Feds without much success. Yet some of the people who win in this type of lower league standard, sell pigeons on their success in that very environment! The game is all about COMPETITION! Enjoying your birds is overall important, but a race is a competition, to find a winner, a test to find the best. In my opinion, to be the best, you must beat the best, and the only way to do that is to compete against them, to the best of YOUR own abilities and limitations. If you aren't open to the full thrust of their skills and birds, how can you truthfully measure yourself and your own?

[stevebelbin]

I think novices should be told from the start that winning doesnt come easy, and that it can be a hard sport to get to the top. Even harder to stay there. The first few years are for learning about the birds and if they get a few good results then fair play to them. I just dont get people who who go on about limits etc. We all know that at the end of the day it takes one pigeon to win a race. Obviously the big team men who know what their doing have a good chance of having a few in the right condition. Its the law of averages at the end of the day. People in pigeon racing will always whinge when their not winning, which is obvious when you think of the amount of time and money that is put into them etc.

 

Ive been getting slagged of in my club (behind my back) for not having the enthusiasm that I used to, and I only send 4-5 birds to the odd race at the present time, whereas I used to send at least 10-16 per race.

 

Forget about numbers, just concentrate on your own birds, getting them into the right condition, and then at least you've done your best!

 

And forget about the money you may win from the race, its the Glory of winning that counts  ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Guest Paulo]

I think novices should be told from the start that winning doesnt come easy, and that it can be a hard sport to get to the top. Even harder to stay there. The first few years are for learning about the birds and if they get a few good results then fair play to them. I just dont get people who who go on about limits etc. We all know that at the end of the day it takes one pigeon to win a race. Obviously the big team men who know what their doing have a good chance of having a few in the right condition. Its the law of averages at the end of the day. People in pigeon racing will always whinge when their not winning, which is obvious when you think of the amount of time and money that is put into them etc.

 

Ive been getting slagged of in my club (behind my back) for not having the enthusiasm that I used to, and I only send 4-5 birds to the odd race at the present time, whereas I used to send at least 10-16 per race.

 

Forget about numbers, just concentrate on your own birds, getting them into the right condition, and then at least you've done your best!

 

And forget about the money you may win from the race, its the Glory of winning that counts  ;D ;D ;D

 

 

couldn't agree more be a sportsman too many in pigeon racing aren't if someone is beating you don't whine and get arsy about it and blame someone else, the birds etc put  the effort time and work in.

 

To those sort of fanciers I'll say one thing put up or shut up.

 

 

[Guest]

Steve / Paulo,

I'm with you guys, too many want an easy route to the top.

 

And STEVE, remember this, when you are getting slagged off behind your back  >, you are doing something right with your birds ;D......keep it up mate !

Good luck to all for this weekend!  8)