Tony Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Hi can anyone help i'm a novice in my second year one of the guys in the club,gave me a latebread.The problem is that this bird is twisting it head round and round and falling over as though it has some kind of brain damage,it has not been out of the loft. Thank you. Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_bennie Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Quickly get it out off the loft. Sounds like a bad case of Paramyxovirus or even Salmonellosis. That's deadly, and probably to far gone. If there are any other birds where it was I'd get them all treated A.S.A.P. And lastly tell whom ever you got the bird from about the problem before it spreads any further. Yours in the Sport - Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 What do i need to get to treat them. Thank you for the reply. Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_bennie Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 I'm sure you have the products over there, such as Baytril,Enroxil or even Enroflaxin. But I would advise you to get help from some one who know's what to look for. No one can say for certain what you have without seeing it first hand. You have to be careful when you administer products like these (or any other). Wish you luck, and hope you caught it in time before any damaged is done. Yours in the Sport - Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 no the bad news that i have a yearling cock looking the same way but not has bad i have dispoesed of the young bird,what i would like to know is how my birds have got this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_bennie Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Sometimes it is as simple as allowing wild bird's ie: sparrows/Starlings into your loft, or at one time or another you let a sick stray in? It really isn't that often you find out exactly where it came from, but don't dwell on that at the moment. Find someone who can actually see what is going on. Have no fear, you'll get out of this predicament, and you find the next learning curve in the pigeon game. Again.....Lot's of Luck. Yours in the Sport - Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WINGS 04 Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 it is carried in the air and if the birds have been drinking out of the same water drinker i think you can carry it on your cloths thats what i was told hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_bennie Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Tony, here is a site that will show/help you answer your questions. Very informative, even shows slides of what droppings look like. Don't forget to save it in your favorites. http://www.chevita.com/tauben/e-index3.html Yours in the Sport - Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Hi Bill Thanks for the site it looks like paramyxovirus just hope that i can get rid of it. Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_bennie Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Glad to help Tony, Have you ever been on the "Chat" line? Try it. Yours in the Sport - Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Hi all my birds look well today they have all been vaccinted so i'm going to give the loft a good clean out today and see how they go. Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shadow Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Tony have you had the affected birds to a vet as it is a notifiable disease. You should not let any body near your loft until all the birds have been given the all clear. was it a bird you bought in or did you breed it your self. If it was bought in the loft you bought it from may also have birds which are carriers of the disease but do not show any symptons. Hope it all turns out OK for you fly hard fly fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Hi no i burnt the body i still have a young bird from the same guy in the loft which is fine, i do not have any wet dropings the yearling cock went off his food a while back and was very light so i got rid of him but the rest are fine.So was it me over reacting. Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shadow Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 No but I would get the rest of your birds checked out by a vet as I said some birds can be carriers of the disease and not show it. Just to put your mind at rest and have a clean certificate in case any body asks if your birds are clear I would think you know how easily bad news get round and is made worse by the time it gets round town fly hard fly fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Hi, Tony. Sounds as if you've brought this bird in and put it straight in beside your own birds. Always risky that. In future 'quarantine' them for at least 7 days. If there's another 'stranger' in there - get it isolated - NOW But I believe your problems have just started, rather than finished as you may believe. You say your birds are vaccinated - was this BEFORE you brought in the sick latebred stranger? Vaccinating pigeons during a paramyxo outbreak is one way to bring the outbreak to a quick close, but I doubt if it will satisfy DEFRA. They will pick up antibodies in the birds' blood and will be unable to establish if this is a reaction to recent vaccination or to a paramyxo attack. Assume the worst (and hope for the best) . Phone the other guy and let him know what's happened. You MUST get a vet involved now. Quarantine your loft, no birds in or out, maintain good personal hygiene and don't go near other pigeon fanciers. Don't dispose of the litter - bag it and keep it because it's a special incineration job. Good luck - I sincerely hope it's all for nothing - and best regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Hi i'm on the case will let you know the out come. Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Hi Well the good news is that my birds have been tested and they have come up negative,the only thing they have is to much mild yeast which they have had probotic for 5 days.well i'm over the moon knowing that they are all well. I keep my birds frist because i love having them racing comes second to me and thats how it will stay. Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 OH i would like to say thanks to everyone for the advice. Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samantha Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 quick question for bruno, should I get my birds vacinated for this? or any other disease? should I just go to the vet or should I find a vet that specialises in birds? (it hasnt crossed my mind to do so before this!) though I have taken care of wild garden fans with Paramyxovirus . but they didnt survive! thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckedhen Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 I'll be interested in the answer to Samantha's question - if you are not showing or racing your birds do they still need vaccinating? :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Samantha & Peckedhen, can you ask me an easier one please? ;D Racing pigeons and show pigeons are required by DEFRA to have an annual Paramyxo vaccination, and the Organisations keep a copy of the certificate: no cert. no racing or showing. If you were taking pigeons out of the UK, the vaccination certificate is one of the things they'd possibly be looking for at EU Customs. In theory you are correct that birds not entered for either racing or showing don't require to be done. Normally, I would recommend you have each bird vaccinated at least once, perhaps with a booster every 2/3 years, but with such a small number of birds, I really wonder if it would be practical: (1) its sold in batches for 50 pigeons (2) each batch has a shelf-life of only one year (3) cost of vaccine: around £20. A compromise might be a local fancier with 'surplus' vaccine, and he / she might also do your birds for you. Definitely not a vet job because of the likely expense. Honestly, if I was in either of your positions, I wouldn't bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samantha Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 thank you bruno, I knew you wouldnt let us down, and if you wouldnt bother, then thats good enough for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckedhen Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Ditto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beautyhomer Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Bruno,it is only racers and show racers that are required to be vaccinated.There is no requirement to vaccinate fancy and flying show pigeons.Therefore you can have vaccinated and unvaccinated birds in the same show Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Beautyhomer, I'd been wondering what the 'legislation' was on fancy pigeons. Seems reasonable, given that these birds will not cover the same range as racing pigeons. The other thought was, of course, that the vaccination isn't primarily to protect the pigeon, its another 'make sure it doesn't infect poultry' regulation. Thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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