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[Guest]

Think there is alot of confussion here as to what constitutes treating.Seem to have some people jumping to the conclusion that myself and others are suggesting using anti biotics every week like they do on the continent and other people saying they don't treat but they use strike [what do you think strike is?],it is a form of treatment!!.The main point in all this is that if you buy in new birds or you mix your birds either through racing or showing you have to protect them from disease.I have a regular programme which is geared to suit my birds and the things I do with them throughout the year.The majority of the products I use are either natural or mild,such as cocci tricho.The wormers are alternated to avoid resistance.Anti biotics are used twice a year maximum.Most fanciers who say they don't believe in treating will end up using the anti biotics more than twice a year as their birds will no doubt develop a problem,so in reality will end up treating them more than myself.Think about it.

[Guest]

Think you will find Chrissy my reference to strike was regarding using a natural product not a medication, never said I didn't give the birds anything but strike isn't a treatment its a supplement!!!

 

I also said that people found systems to suit them and their birds and to be honest if that's what suits you then good luck to you!!

[Guest]

Most fanciers who say they don't believe in treating will end up using the anti biotics more than twice a year as their birds will no doubt develop a problem,so in reality will end up treating them more than myself.Think about it.

 

 

Just for the record never used an antibiotic once since I started racing so guess I am just really lucky!!

 

[Guest]

More than a little confused at the confusion myself.  ;D

 

[1] an antibiotic is a treatment against any living organism - treat for canker, cocci and worms, respiratory, yeast, etc etc using a commercial health product and you are probably using an antibiotic.

 

[2] using antibiotics regularly - every 3 weeks is regularly - and you weaken the immune system - recognised fact in medical circles, and you run the risk of resistance developing in the organism you are trying to eradicate. That happens, then nothing is likely to shift it - recognised fact : we already have super strains of canker bugs in pigeons, and the likes of MRSA in humans.

 

[3] antibiotics kill probiotics too.

 

[4] Strike2 is a mixture of garlic [allicin], probiotics, and prebiotics and works with the immune system, not instead of it, and certianly not against it like antibiotics.

 

[5] Bringing in birds from a number of different lofts without quarantine is asking for trouble. Might be carrying something they are immune to, but which your own birds aren't. Same goes for your own birds - might be carrying something that would cause problems for the new birds.  

[Guest TAMMY_1]

You are definately not doing enough,canker every 3 weeks during breeding and racing,worming every 3 months,garlic and cider vinegar 2 days every week and pro biotics 3 days a week,cocci every 6 weeks.It's up to you but in this day and age this is what you need to do.

 

AND IF I WAS TO ONLY GIVE ONE THING IT WOULD BE THE PRO-BIOTICS, BEST THING I HAVE EVER GIVEN MY BIRDS, DIFFERENCE IS REMARKABLE WITHIN DAYS, GLAD YOU TOLD ME ABOUT THESE

[thunderboult]

i've never given young birds anything apart from the jab ,i use preventive treatments like ultimate ,gem,garlic oil,naturaline,brewer's yeast +1 or 2 other's , we keep them natural, this time of year we got to stop em because of the moult but they've won 3 out 4 races and i've every confidence in them for next year and beyond  

[Guest]

i have live yoghurt on my corn once a week!, garlic in the water 4days of the week(good to keep worms away)minerals/grit fulltime(unless treating)..as some will know these can affect the strength of the medication.

i give nifurimycin in the water once every 3 weeks.

and strong vitimins once a week on a tues.

all these will be given but  determin if im treating or not.

cider vinegar

respitory/treatments

are also ivolved in the items my bird have,but i dont give them the same products each time...i tend to give them several diff items ...this will stop any bugs or wotever getting used to one product.

one thing im careful of!....not to over dose the birds...as i once found out years ago,that they dropped a lot of feathers .....paul

[Guest TAMMY_1]

i've never given young birds anything apart from the jab ,i use preventive treatments like ultimate ,gem,garlic oil,naturaline,brewer's yeast +1 or 2 other's , we keep them natural, this time of year we got to stop em because of the moult but they've won 3 out 4 races and i've every confidence in them for next year and beyond  

 

did you actually read back what you had written ? you say you have never given your birds anything, then u go on to list you have given them such as gem ,naturaline, garlic oil, brewers yeast,plus one or two others a total contradictory statement if ever there was one

[pender]

Think you have to get a balance with treatments, if you have established family it dif you dont need to treat as much, but there not many of us got that i mean winning family.

[thunderboult]

hi tammy1 i was refering to antibiotics, and using natural preventive products rather than treat with antibiotics every other week which i think will effect the bird in the long run

[Guest]

hi tammy1 i was refering to antibiotics, and using natural preventive products rather than treat with antibiotics every other week which i think will effect the bird in the long run

 

Neither Tammy or I said we used anti biotics every week,the programme we use is very similar to your own by the sounds of it.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

hi tammy1 i was refering to antibiotics, and using natural preventive products rather than treat with antibiotics every other week which i think will effect the bird in the long run

 

WAS JUST GOING BY WHAT U SAID , U NEVER MENTIONED ANTI BIOTICS

[thunderboult]

sorry for the confusion

[Guest]

 

definatly agree here nackers the immune system

no point treating for anything that isnt there

 

The whole point is that things ARE THERE.All pigeons carry cocci,canker and worms,the majority of the products I utalise are designed to just keep these diseases at as low a level as possible.By not treating for these things you are allowing the counts to go through the roof making way for secondary infections [which then require anti biotics].

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

Neither Tammy or I said we used anti biotics every week,the programme we use is very similar to your own by the sounds of it.

 

Aye and the advice you gave me completely turned the birds health round in a couple of weeks, the best advice regarding the health of pigeons I have ever been given

[Guest]

Well guys thanks for all the replys although im a little confused now, but reading the posts i think the way to go is to give the birds natural products regularly to try to keep probs at bay so if anyone has any recommendations it would be appreciated

[chichichi]

read the book the flying vets,,,,it will open your eyes to pigeon racing and how they build their immune system up...but they treat regularly and test regularly,,,,read east to west it will telll you how he treats his birds regularly...building up their imunity is one thing but all this stress from young bird racing brings on all manor of new strains of disease......what are the results like of the non treaters....goodluck to all ....

[Guest TAMMY_1]

read the book the flying vets,,,,it will open your eyes to pigeon racing and how they build their immune system up...but they treat regularly and test regularly,,,,read east to west it will telll you how he treats his birds regularly...building up their imunity is one thing but all this stress from young bird racing brings on all manor of new strains of disease......what are the results like of the non treaters....goodluck to all ....

 

agree with u here about young birds and stress, never treated mine for anything and nearly lost them all

[Guest]

Well guys thanks for all the replys although im a little confused now, but reading the posts i think the way to go is to give the birds natural products regularly to try to keep probs at bay so if anyone has any recommendations it would be appreciated

 

In a nutshell anti biotics every week is wrong and not treating at all for things like cocci,canker and worms is wrong.You should aim for a happy medium,the guys in your club are right,you do need to treat more mainly during racing [when your birds mix with others] and prior to pairing up.Regular use of something like cocci tricho every 3 weeks or so,worming every 3 months,pro biotics,garlic and cider vinegar weekly and you won't go to wrong.

[Guest shadow]

you do not need to treat to win feed right and find a system that suits you and your birds and you are half way there NOBODY ever won out of a bottle

[swilcox]

My youngbirds are in unbelievable form and all they get is cod liver oil 3 times a week!!! Every 2 weeks they get some natural drops to maintain respo and thats about it!!! If they have a perlonged time in the basket i may disinfect!!!

 

You talk about treating but what i think of you mean is disinfecting!! Treating is a 5-7 day course!!!! Disinfecting is a single days course once every 3 weeks maybe twice in a season!!!!!! Some products are better at disinfecting than others!!!!

 

Stuart

[pender]

i would watch the cod liver oil stu as many a good loft have ruined there birds with it, it builds up in the liver remember reading about one of those lofts few year back in one of the year books.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

i would watch the cod liver oil stu as many a good loft have ruined there birds with it, it builds up in the liver remember reading about one of those lofts few year back in one of the year books.

 

well thats all you do , read books

 

 

 

maybe because you are in the library all day  ;D ;D

[swilcox]

They only have it for 6 weeks when there yb racing and never afterwards!!! Then they go onto a different oil mix.

 

Stuart

[budgie]

I have never known as many fanciers over the last two/three years experiencing the Health problems we are now having.Unfortunately natural immunity has gone so,what is the cause and how do we get it back.The underlying problem is latent paratyphoid/salmonella.The symtoms we had was wing hanging down.would hardly fly and the droppings were watery and green.On the racing scene we were scoring now and again.We sought specialist guidance and were advised to use Parastop for fourteen days before pairing up and ten days before the first race.Try this treament along with the usual products and you will be amazed at your improved performances.