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[Guest]

Ive been talking to a couple of my local fanciers & they say that i should use treaments more often one guy treats for canker/cocci and resp every 3 weeks I only treat for these things before pairing and then only if i get a prob, i use cider vineager on wed and garlic every other thurs the only other thing i use in water is tcp on sat afternoon& sun, do you more exp guys recommend i treat like these guys say or carry on as i am,if you think i should treat more often what brand of products do you recommend thanks for any help

[Guest]

You are definately not doing enough,canker every 3 weeks during breeding and racing,worming every 3 months,garlic and cider vinegar 2 days every week and pro biotics 3 days a week,cocci every 6 weeks.It's up to you but in this day and age this is what you need to do.

[Mark Bulled]

I'm with you Iplates. Healthy pigeons shouldnt need propping up every 3 weeks, and all you are doing is damaging the immune systen of the pigeon for short tern gain

[Guest]

I'm with you Iplates. Healthy pigeons shouldnt need propping up every 3 weeks, and all you are doing is damaging the immune systen of the pigeon for short tern gain

 

Sorry but you are extremely naive if you believe that.

[Guest]

Ive been talking to a couple of my local fanciers & they say that i should use treaments more often one guy treats for canker/cocci and resp every 3 weeks I only treat for these things before pairing and then only if i get a prob, i use cider vineager on wed and garlic every other thurs the only other thing i use in water is tcp on sat afternoon& sun, do you more exp guys recommend i treat like these guys say or carry on as i am,if you think i should treat more often what brand of products do you recommend thanks for any help

 

Wondered if you had experienced a particular problem or a recurring problem that may require another approach or treatment?

[chichichi]

CANKER, COCCI AND RESPIRITORY ,,,WE TREAT EVERY THREE WEEKS ON A CYCLE....WEEK 1 COCCI, WEEK2 CANKER, WEEK3 RESP,,WEEK 4 NOWT,,WEEK5 AS WEEK 1 AND SO ON....HOPE THIS HELPS,,,,,,

[paddymac]

 

Sorry but you are extremely naive if you believe that.

 

Sorry chrissy, but I agree with lplates & mark on this one, too many fanciers today are using too much treatments for their birds. How did they manage years ago when half of the rubbish they sell now with their miracle cures wasn't available. As the old saying goes, if it isn't broke, theres no need to fix it.

                                                         Pat

[Guest]

not treating ur birds only makes the problem worst,if everyone treated their birds (i dont mean every week) then half these deseases wouldnt be on the increase!

if ur child had problems ud soon be down the doctors for treatment,so why shouldnt ur birds have the same consideration?....treat sparringly i say but do so!

[pigeonpete]

 

Sorry chrissy, but I agree with lplates & mark on this one, too many fanciers today are using too much treatments for their birds. How did they manage years ago when half of the rubbish they sell now with their miracle cures wasn't available. As the old saying goes, if it isn't broke, theres no need to fix it.

                                                         Pat

 

totally agree!! will have no immune system left after all that treatment!!

why do you think all the yb losses occur?? :-/ :-/ only treat if needed!

[xtccock]

look at the returns from young bird races so far

diabolicle because at least 70% arnt well........

and those that say they have loads missing ask them when was the last time they treated for anything......

and the ones who have good returns ask them the same .

you need to treat wether you like it or not.............................................!

[klinkley]

I'm with the "don't treat it" gang on this one.  If I haven't got a cough then I'm not going to take cough mixture, surely that applies to the lotions and potion available to pigeons.  I've never treated my birds for something they haven't got, and they are fit and healthy.  A subject where lots will agree and lots will disagree. You manage your birds how it suits you and not just to follow suit

[Mark Bulled]

Chrissy - I believe YOU are extremely naive if you believe you have to treat to win!

 

xtccock - the opposite in fact, I have very few losses, why? I have a family with a strong consistution that home based on years of severe selection and not from a bottle.

 

 

[Guest]

 

Sorry but you are extremely naive if you believe that.

 

Definately don't think you can call Mark Bulled naive, he and his father have been winning races for years without all this medication.

 

I haven't treated for anything since I started in 2001 opting only to use natural products like cider vinegar, garlic, gemthepax and strike.

 

I have been highest prize winner in our club last 3 years and can honestly say I have not had a sick bird in all that time, except maybe for a one eyed cold in a baby but soon cleared up with vinegar.

 

I definately don't believe all this treating for the sake of it does them any good at all, but everyone flys their birds with their own methods that suit them. So find what suits you best and stick with it no matter what anyone tells you that you should or shouldn't be doing.

[Ed Bourque]

if you all think the pigeons needs all this, why not try doing the same treament on yourself and see if you profrom any better.

if it isn't broke, theres no need to fix it.

[Guest]

look at the returns from young bird races so far

diabolicle because at least 70% arnt well........

and those that say they have loads missing ask them when was the last time they treated for anything......

and the ones who have good returns ask them the same .

you need to treat wether you like it or not.............................................!

 

Started with 54 youngbirds, 4 weeks in I have lost 1 training and 2 racing haven't treated for anything except the fact they have had cider vinegar in the water 6 days per week.

 

Not sure that argument stands up mate.

 

Just to add weight to it my friend in the club started with 24 youngsters and still has 24 never puts a thing in the water and hasn't for 30 years. Exceptional flyer for a small team aswell old and young alike.

 

I know another flyer who treats every other week for just about everything lost about 60 youngsters first toss at 4 miles this year - just a few examples!!

[Guest]

one thing i dont agree on is...y/b loses are due to ill birds ...y/b loses are due to lack of education..ie ..not enough training.....clashing when raced..getting pulled out of line of flight end up being mls out of the way.....also the dreaded bin/hawks etc, y/b loses due to ill health would only be around 5% of loses.

[xtccock]

54young birds now thats obscene ive never had more than 40 birds flying out

and that includes old birds ...

oh n i started with 20 youngsters through selection so far down to 15 lost non training nor racing  nor round the loft 5first 4 2nd 9 3rd fed to date  

keep em healthy.......

[Guest]

54young birds now thats obscene ive never had more than 40 birds flying out

and that includes old birds ...

oh n i started with 20 youngsters through selection so far down to 15 lost non training nor racing  nor round the loft 5first 4 2nd 9 3rd fed to date  

keep em healthy.......

 

Like I said do what suits you, 54 suits me just fine thanks as 20 suits you!!

 

 

[pigeonpete]

 

Like I said do what suits you, 54 suits me just fine thanks as 20 suits you!!

 

 

50 of them are what i gave to darran ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

lol thats right pete!!   :D ;D

[THE PRIEST]

I belive that if in doubt send a sample off to be tested and then you only need to treat if needed. I sent a sample and a swab off 2 days after the first young bird race and it came back positive for yeast infection. I only did this as on arrival back from the race the birds did not look right . Watch them carfully and they usually show you when something is wrong.  

[Ed Bourque]

I no for a fact that fly aways can be caused by hunger, when I first started training  the youngsters I would keep them a little hungry and they would only fly for 10 or 15 minutes and I would lose one here and there.

Now I keep food in front of them at all times and they fly for an hour or more

and no loses, food what a wounderful thing. Ed

[Guest coxy]

 

totally agree!! will have no immune system left after all that treatment!!

why do you think all the yb losses occur?? :-/ :-/ only treat if needed!

 

definatly agree here nackers the immune system

no point treating for anything that isnt there

[Guest TAMMY_1]

You are definately not doing enough,canker every 3 weeks during breeding and racing,worming every 3 months,garlic and cider vinegar 2 days every week and pro biotics 3 days a week,cocci every 6 weeks.It's up to you but in this day and age this is what you need to do.

 

Well it is certainly keeping your birds in perfect health and condition going bye your show results, I was also one of the  firm believers that you should not routinely treat your birds until earlier this year when i had a major problem with my young birds because I simply did not want to start propping them up so to speak and I  ended up losing a few, and killed a few and missed a lot of the races, I now firmly believe you have to keep routine treatments going all year round because after taking the advice you gave me the birds were soon back in tip top condition and Saturday was the first race I was able to send a lot of them to and they put up a great performance considering they had never raced all year, maybe if I had started off treatments at the start I would not have had the problems I  had and I intend to keep using the programme you suggested to me for racing pigeons, and even though the old birds raced great for me even they are looking in better health now than they did all year, the one thing you told me about using was the pro-biotics and I  think this is the product that completely transforms the birds droppings, probably the best single product I have ever used and this will be used constantly all year round, birds just seem to sparkling now, late in the season now but what a transformation in the birds and I am sure I will see a marked improvement in birds early on next year , I am in the unfortunate position where a member in our club races his birds and there is alway something wrong with them and other members birds are contantly in contact with them, also he is only 20 yards from me and our birds nearly always meet at some point in the day and sometimes our young birds go in to the wrong loft, so I for one fully intend to make sure my birds are kept in the best health possible when they are going to be constantly mixing with other birds.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

look at the returns from young bird races so far

diabolicle because at least 70% arnt well........

and those that say they have loads missing ask them when was the last time they treated for anything......

and the ones who have good returns ask them the same .

you need to treat wether you like it or not.............................................!

 

AGREE WITH YOU 100% HERE ABOUT TREATING